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Bane

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Hi people,

Well as some of you may and may not know, I am due to enrol on college tomorrow for my 2330.

Now, everything was fine up until 30mins ago when I spoke to an electrician and he reckons I'm wasting my time doing the 2330.

He reckons I'd be better off doing my Part P then my 17th Edition first. Get some work and see where I go from there.

Found this link for the Part P:
Bpec Part P Electrical Course (Full Scope) - PPL Training

Now bear in mind, it's going to cost me almost a grand for my first year of the 2330 and for the same price I can get my Part P done in 6 days!?!

Needless to say guys and girls this has thrown a spanner in the works and messed with my head a little.

What do you guys suggest?

Part P and 17th Edition or 2330 and 3-4yrs at college?

Can I go into the Part P 'cold' as it were?
(My experience is limited to trunking/tray/basket/conduit etc. Never done calculations etc but I'm academically confident)

Advice needed ASAP please!

*Can't believe been told this a day before I'm due to sign up and pay course fees*
 
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EasyFox

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Go with the 2330 is my advice Bane mate.

In the part P courses (so far as I'm aware) there is no mention of three phase/ limited calcs / no basket,tray,trunk,micc work (not sure if your shown how to terminate swa, my cousin wasnt) / very limited testing.

Nothing against the 5 day wonder lads but if you have the course ready to roll I'd stay on the 2330, you'll benefit far more belive me.
 
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tony.towa

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Hi Bane,

I am inclined to agree with Easyfox. Whilst the Part P course may look attractive as a "short cut" to being an electrician, it will not be as well looked upon as 2330 generally within the industry.

If you tell potential employers that you have enrolled, at your own expense, on 2330 they will appreciate the fact that you are serious about being in the industry and that you are looking long term at things. They will also like the idea of employing someone as a mate who is financing getting qualified themselves and once you have got your first year done they are likely to support you for the second year.

The scope of 2330 is obviously more than the short courses and the knowledge required is considerably more.

Personally I would stick with 2330.

Good luck my friend.

Tony
 
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Cirrus

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Stick with 2330 old chum, it is tried and tested as many of us will verify!
 
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Bane

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Thanks EasyFox, Tony.Towa very much appreciated guys.

The reason I was thinking of Part P and 17th Edition is just so it'd also look good on the CV when contacting potential employers.

But, on the flip side it's a bit like having a driving licence without having actually driven isn't it? (Maybe a crap comparison).

I'd gain the qual but won't have actually put any of it into practice (real time).

Anyway, think, sorry, I WILL be going ahead tomorrow morning then. Going to cost me just short of a grand for the first year!

Cheers cirrus!
 
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tony.towa

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Just so you know Bane,

My youngest son did exactly what you are planning and he got plenty of work as a mate as a result and gained the practical experience during the time he did the course.

Showing that you want to do something still counts for a lot in this industry.
 
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Bane

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I sure hope that'll apply to me also Tony!

Thanks again for all your help, will keep you all posted on my progress.

Well, I'm signing off for the night.

Will check back on here tomorrow morning before I head off to college so any other comments/opinions appreciated.

Laters.
 
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EasyFox

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Bang on Tony.
I'd sooner take on a lad or ladett that had shown some get up & go, by putting themselves through the first year. To me it shows the committment that a potential employee has in the industry.
 
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Cirrus

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Me too Easyfox. Commitment is key and people who show it tend to come up trumps.
 
Not quite sure what the part p course entails but is obviously only domestic.:confused:
Completed my 2330 this year and that covers domestic commercial and industrial in depth.;)
If a 6 day course was any good i think we would all have jumped on that instead of spending 3 long years studying and attending college 2 evenings a week!!!
For me there is only one way to go.;)
Best of luck with what you decide.
 
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spark-doctor

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Your courses seem very expensive up north. Down here the college charge £1200.00 for the 2 years. is that the norm?

As for the 2330, stick with it Bane. You are not going to be getting the equivalent level of training on the other course and you will be more employable with 2330.
 
i did my 2330 at thurrock college in essex.
it was £430 for the first year £550 for the second year and £636 for the third year.
this year it is £740.50.
not a bad inflation rate theyve got going on there is it???
 
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Bane

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Thanks for all the replies.

Today ended up being a bit of a farce.

Turned up, packed out with candidates, thought, 'Bolloc*s, going to be here all day'

Managed to jump queue.

Asked me for my paperwork.

None.

Assessment form?

Nope.

Anything?

Nope.

Sent to another room, explained the deal and, thankfully, was told that I didn't need to come in today as they have my details and as I'm on adult learning they'll be in touch shortly to confirm start dates etc.

However...Still not CONFIRMED on th course yet *Sweats* though the course tutor says there shouldn't be a problem with getting me on.

And just to clarify costs:

£200 Registration fee
£200 Exam fee
£540 Tuition fee

Now, what really gets on my nipples is because I'm signing on, I should be entitled to a £700 waiver of the fees BUT because my partner earns over XXX amount, I don't.

Bum.
 
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gt67

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Thanks for all the replies.

Today ended up being a bit of a farce.

Turned up, packed out with candidates, thought, 'Bolloc*s, going to be here all day'

Managed to jump queue.

Asked me for my paperwork.

None.

Assessment form?

Nope.

Anything?

Nope.

Sent to another room, explained the deal and, thankfully, was told that I didn't need to come in today as they have my details and as I'm on adult learning they'll be in touch shortly to confirm start dates etc.

However...Still not CONFIRMED on th course yet *Sweats* though the course tutor says there shouldn't be a problem with getting me on.

And just to clarify costs:

£200 Registration fee
£200 Exam fee
£540 Tuition fee

Now, what really gets on my nipples is because I'm signing on, I should be entitled to a £700 waiver of the fees BUT because my partner earns over XXX amount, I don't.

Bum.

Bane, which year are these costs for ?

C&G2330 L1, L2 or L3
 
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EasyFox

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Now, what really gets on my nipples is because I'm signing on, I should be entitled to a £700 waiver of the fees BUT because my partner earns over XXX amount, I don't.

Bum.
Thats where you are going wrong Bane mate, should say she's not my partner she's my carer, you'll be alright then :rolleyes::D.

Thats what Mrs easy says she is my carer, but will soon be my executioner if I dont get on and do these quotes :eek: :eek:
 
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Bane

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Quick update.

College phoned me on Friday to enrol.

Did it.

Start on Mon 8th Sept.

Only ended up costing me £240! (Because i's my first NVQ)

Very impressed! All I need now is a job :)
 
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tony.towa

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Glad you got things sorted and you got a good price.

Any questions just post them on the forum and we will try to answer them, but as you got the course cheap it will cost you!!!!!!;)
 
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bobajob

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£240???:confused:

I start my 2330 year one on 15th September. It's cost me £802 for the first year and it's my first course too. I was told if I had no GCSE's I could get both years of level 2 for free!!! But because I worked hard at school I have to pay full price.

There has already been a thread on the silly price increases. It's because the government have pulled the plug on funding for higher education. Anything from level 3 is now full price. and upto level 2 can only be part funded by the government. Unless, as I said, you are on benefits or were a lazy oike at school and didn't bother to pass any exams. :mad: :eek: :mad:
 
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montybaber

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Its always been the same, always remember the young wasters from my school with a criminal record getting shipped off to southampton FC for the day for a training session with le tissier etc to try and motivate them to do better whilst all the hard working kids sat at school dead p***ed off!!!

I know its not relevent but my point is I really dont think it pays to try hard! why should you get it any cheaper if you wasted your education, should have to pay more to give some back in my opinion

but thats just me
 
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Bane

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Well, I'm one of those that got it cheaper for wasting my education!

Thanks for your words tony.towa and don't worry, I'll get you a beer if we ever do meet ;)

Right, in front of me I have the college policy on fees etc.

LEARNERS OVER 19 - FULL TIME

Full time learners (450hrs or more) on a means tested benefit (On dole, housing benefit etc) with a household income of LESS than £15,050 (subject to change)

No tuition fees to pay (£520)
Upto £67.50 towards the cost of all exam fees (£200), balance payable by student. You must apply to the Learner Support Fund for this.

Learner Support Fund: Upto £225 for academic year. Depending on course you may receive eqpt. instead of money

Transport: If you live more than 3miles from college you receive 65% discount on smartcards bought from college.

FULL TIME LEARNERS NOT ON BENEFIT WITH A HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF LESS THAN £19,513 (single students) OR £30,810 FOR STUDENTS MARRIED/LIVING WITH A PARTNER.

TUITION FEES: £400 if commencing in 08/09
£250 if progressing onto year2 of course you started in 07

EXAM FEES: Payable by you in full

LEARNER SUPPORT FUND: Upto £225 for academic year. Depending on course you may receive eqpt. instead of money

TRANSPORT: If you live more than 3miles from college you receive 65% discount on smartcards bought from college.

FULL TIME LEARNERS NOT ON BENEFIT WITH AN INCOME OF MORE THAN £19,513 OR £30,810.

NOTHING, NICHE, NADA.

LEARNERS OVER 19 - PART TIME

Part time learners on a means tested benefit (On dole, housing benefit etc) with a household income of LESS than £15,050 (subject to change)

TUITION FEES: None (£520)

EXAM FEE: Upto £67.50 towards the cost of all exam fees (£200), balance payable by student. You must apply to the Learner Support Fund for this.

Learner Support Fund: You will receive 50p per guided learning hour.

Transport: No help

PART TIME LEARNERS NOT ON BENEFIT WITH A HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF LESS THAN £19,513 (single students) OR £30,810 FOR STUDENTS MARRIED/LIVING WITH A PARTNER.

TUITION FEES: Payable by you

EXAM FEES: Payable by you in full

LEARNER SUPPORT FUND: You will receive 50p per guided learning hour.

TRANSPORT: No help.

PART TIME LEARNERS NOT ON BENEFIT WITH AN INCOME OF MORE THAN £19,513 OR £30,810.

NOTHING, NICHE, NADA.

Hope this has helped some of you guys.
 
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mog

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your taking the right route Bane, good luck
 
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sparky1ste

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hi when 2330 first started it was five days a week level 1+2 thnen day release for a year.now i think its gone to level 2 and last for a college term then level 3.within in this time you will learn practical and alot of theory.the point i'm trying to make is you can go on a five day course and get part p etc.but you are putting lives at risk because you dont know the understanding of electrics.people like kitchen fitters for eg.[sorry kitchen fitters]think that because they can sign of kitchen sockets that they fully qualified electricians and start taking on re-wires etc. IS PAR P A GOOD THING? - NO IT LET IN EVEN MORE COWBOYS. do the right thing and go through the training.
 
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Bane

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Cheers mog (not related to moog by any chance?)
 
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benzu

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Do ur 17th regs, if u got ur NVQ2 + NVQ3, not sure what they are in C&G electrical installation ref. numbers. Don't do the part P course its a money maker.

Part P is a registration.
That will cover you to work for yourself, if you wanna starting fitting electrical extractor fans then you NEED to get another document - Part L or something.
 
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TPES

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Hi

I Am also on the 2330 in my 2nd year now, Just under a grand for the first year is very expensive, my college was less than half that for the first year, and 2nd year is even cheaper, which college have you enrolled at?

I also think your doing the right thing by doing the 2330, I have been taught alot by my college.

Stick with it and let me know how your getting on.
 
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Bane

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Cheers Sid.

Hull College. (Don't laugh)
 
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Jutt

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Well done bane mate, stick with the 2330 about to start first year myself as an adult learner on thurs!! I did my part p & 17th on a intensive course but only used it as a stepping stone to get me a baseground for a sparks mate job & had every intention of getting properly qualified by doing 2330 got to be the best route for knowledge than the 5 day wonders i did to start with.
 
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Bane

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Cheers Jutt!

Start tomorrow, having to get up at 6am and be at college for 8am.

Looking forward to it! Will keep everyone updated on my progress.
 

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