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Got a call a couple of days ago to a boiler which had been looked at by a gas guy who advised of an earth fault and that he had isolated it. So I bowled up today, there was a VOELCB right by the BS3036 CU which had excessive charring on it, some fuse carriers were crumbling others were cracked and in several bits. No cover for the fuses of course and the carcass was falling apart, the only saving grace was that it was up a height.
Obviously alarm bells are ringing quite loud so I looked a bit further, not a scrap of bonding anywhere in the place IP ratings severely compromised so I thought lets get the test gear out, IR really low RFC continuity non existent etc etc. The owner of the place turns up and so I start talking to him about a rewire which he told me to prep a price for, I thought now is a good time to check the EFLI, now it's a TT so I expected something fairly high but not as high as 1356 ohms.
It's a new record for me guys but I'm sure one of you can beat it
 

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well now ive read this , i will let you know, il even test houses when just visiting someone in countryside. trev will beat it
 
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this is the best ive had...!
 

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Only about circa 500 and odd ohms for me,
This one had no rod and no bonding, I think it was reading through the CPC via the supply cable to the combi boiler.

Iam sure I will come across a higher one sooner or later, lol
 
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Cant remember if it was 1240 or 1420. It's in a thread on here somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
 
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1061 ohms is my best so far, can't beat 1356 ohms, sounds like you are onto a fun job there!
Thing is Richard I know for a fact with a bit of work and some big fat rods I can get that way way below 50 ohms and that'll be stable so that's not the problem. I just did some rough sums and the we're looking at £2.5k ish for the rewire which I'm pretty sure my client won't go for, I've done an EDN because what I found scared me but he has tenants in there and he's already ringing me and asking can I not just change the CU and dig into the existing problems and put them right as I find them.
I've got a feeling this client is going to be a total pain in the bum.
 
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If the customer is a landlord and the property is rented i would cut him no slack whatsoever lol.
The fact the install still has an veolcb suggests its as old as the dinosaurs and has simply come to the end of its useful life.
What type of cables Trev ?
 
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It's all T&E as far as I've seen Biff but the IRs were terrible and it's all just crap. I reckon there's been some DIY over the years by the standard of it, no CPCs sleeved anywhere, some CPCs missing etc etc you know how it goes.
He's getting no slack from me whatsoever mate, he'll get my price Monday or Tuesday if he wants to go ahead then fine. If not he can find a cowboy. Either way I don't mind:)
 
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it's a TT so I expected something fairly high but not as high as 1356 ohms.
If we go by what others have clearly stated here on the forum, all you need to do is just bung an RCD on it and the jobs a good-un ...Your allowed 1766 ohms for a 30mA Rcd don't you know!! LOL!!!
 
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with ref. to all the TT posts that have been flying around lately, i've decided to perform an experiment. we are built on sand. don't know how deep it is, but i'm going to try for a sub 10 ohm Ra. if i go deep enough and hit oil, that will be a bonus.
 
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If we go by what others have stated clearly here, just bung an RCD on it and the jobs a good-un ...Your allowed 1766 ohms for a 30mA Rcd!! LOL!!!
Oh well, maybe I'll just shove an RCD in and forget about all the problems and walk away:)
 

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think eng54 was being sarcastic, there. i'm going to bang in rods till i hit bedrock, pi$$ on ot , and see if i can get a TN equivalent reading.
 
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Well I went round to see Mr Singh tonight to talk about his rewire, I outlined the benefits that the modern technology I was planning to install and how it would offer a greater degree of protection to his property and tenants and how the works would be carried out by time served tradesmen with many years experience. I then pointed out how it would be proven that the work would comply with all current regulations and be certified and made good afterwards so that all he has to do is run around with a roller and some magnolia paint.
At this point he was paying attention, then he asked how much and went very pale when he got the answer.
I don't think I've pulled this rewire
 
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So it was over £50 then ?
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Well I went round to see Mr Singh tonight to talk about his rewire, I outlined the benefits that the modern technology I was planning to install and how it would offer a greater degree of protection to his property and tenants and how the works would be carried out by time served tradesmen with many years experience. I then pointed out how it would be proven that the work would comply with all current regulations and be certified and made good afterwards so that all he has to do is run around with a roller and some magnolia paint.
At this point he was paying attention, then he asked how much and went very pale when he got the answer.
I don't think I've pulled this rewire
You can see his point. I bet he assumed it would take you a couple of days tops @ £7 per hour, with maybe £50 worth of gear needed. :)
 
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We all know how much he would get for £50 and it's not very much is it guys. I think I'm being generous as I've not charged him for the tests I did. Mind you I reckon on 3 days for 2 sparks, maybe a mate too
 
People who think we can work for the same rate as employed tradesmen are a pain in the backside. Anyway, if you don't get it then probably a blessing in disguise.
 
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Dead right mate, I have a feeling he would be a nightmare pain in the butt as a client
 
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Just been into the guy's shop and although he thinks mine was a good price he's found someone who will fit a new CU and claims that will sort all his problems out. I wonder what he's planning on doing with the Ra and the missing bonding.
It's not my problem though but is that the sound of horses and spurs I can hear in the distance
 
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The sound I could hear was right. He just rang me and told me if I can change the CU for £150 the work is mine.
I'm absolutely bloody furious! How dare he ask me to compromise my standards and professionalism
 
Well, you did get a "feel" for this guy trev. Hope you laughed rather than got upset.

I'm working for a great old lady atm. Found a few dangerous things while doing several upgrades for her and she just says "put it right if it needs doing". I'm looking after her, but it makes me realise how some unscrupulous people could make a fortune! Bet my next job will be the opposite :)
 
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I wasn't fussed about not getting the rewire Tim it was the phone call asking me to do a crap job that boiled my blood. I'm over it now though:)
 
I wasn't fussed about not getting the rewire Tim it was the phone call asking me to do a crap job that boiled my blood. I'm over it now though:)
I can understand that trev. It's a real insult for sure, and is like saying "you were trying it on before, so do what someone else has suggested and all is forgiven". We've all been there.
Glad you have put it behind you, as these people aren't worth a second of your time.
 
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When he comes back to me asking me to put this guys work right it's going to be "rewire or nowt mate" and it's still going to cost him what I originally quoted:)
 
When he comes back to me asking me to put this guys work right it's going to be "rewire or nowt mate" and it's still going to cost him what I originally quoted:)
I'm sure some of the materials will have gone up in price by then ;)
 
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