Adding a spur to a spur

[Zahid1986]

I have a socket which is connected off the main circuit ring.

Just wanted to know if it's possible to add another socket spurring off this second socket?

(Please see attached image.)

If it's against regulations, then
1) what's the worst that could happen? (Will my circuits blow up?)

2) what's the best alternative and what size wiring will I need?

Thanks

 

[Pete999]

I have a socket which is connected off the main circuit ring.

Just wanted to know if it's possible to add another socket spurring off this second socket?

(Please see attached image.)

If it's against regulations, then
1) what's the worst that could happen? (Will my circuits blow up?)

2) what's the best alternative and what size wiring will I need?

Thanks

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I have a socket which is connected off the main circuit ring.

Just wanted to know if it's possible to add another socket spurring off this second socket?

(Please see attached image.)

If it's against regulations, then
1) what's the worst that could happen? (Will my circuits blow up?)

2) what's the best alternative and what size wiring will I need?

Thanks

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Zahid
You are allowed 1 Spur from any socket that is part of the Ring on a Ring Final Circuit, in other words if the socket you are intending to spur from is not a spur, the yes you can add 1 socket, either a twin or single socket constitutes a spur.
I you wish to add another socket from the spurred socket you will need to spur that extra socket from a Fuse connection unit (FCU), in laymans terms that will be original spurred socket, FCU and as many sockets as you like from that FCU Appendix 15 of the BS 7671 Wiring regulations explains all.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

As @Pete999 said above. change the first socket that is spurred off the ring to a fcu then add what you like to that. In the event you over load the fcu then the fuse inside will blow but should not affect the ring feeding the fcu. Just check what fuse is inside the fcu as it is not unheard of for people to put a 3 amp fuse in or buy one with a low rated fuse and just fit it without checking. then wonder why things go pop.

 

[Squid]

Why not do it properly?

 

[Pete999]

Why not do it properly?

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Wasat meant to represent?

 

[Squid]

Wasat meant to represent?

Break the ring add the two sockets to the ring, okay for the pedants,

 

[Pete999]

Break the ring add the two sockets to the ring, okay for the pedants,

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You been on the pop Mate? thay's one wonderful diagram.

 

[westward10]

Wasat meant to represent?

Think what he means Pete is the spurred sockets get smaller and hence take less load

 

[Octopus]

Me thinks the OP is a DIYer and we are confusing them...

 

[Pete999]

Think what he means Pete is the spurred sockets get smaller and hence take less load

Had to think about that for a bit Westy

 

[Squid]

You been on the pop Mate? thay's one wonderful diagram.

Nope just a funny b'Stard

 

[Pete E]

Break the ring add the two sockets to the ring, okay for the pedants,

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Don't think you have enough "fall" to do that???

(Oppps, wrong forum! )

 

[Midwest]

I do get a bit of a hump with diy'ers, just because of the nightmares its cause me in my travels in domestic properties, years later down the line.

I've learnt a lot myself from learned forum members, in the past few years, but some comments made about such threads as these, do make me sigh. You can be dismissive in your comments, but in a constructive way. Does this forum no good, by just taking the ----.

 

[Toneyz]

If due to practicalities and you can't install at least the first (or both) socket(s) on the RFC could derate protective device to 20A but this will depend upon the existing loading(s).

 

[Squid]

I do get a bit of a hump with diy'ers, just because of the nightmares its cause me in my travels in domestic properties, years later down the line.

I've learnt a lot myself from learned forum members, in the past few years, but some comments made about such threads as these, do make me sigh. You can be dismissive in your comments, but in a constructive way. Does this forum no good, by just taking the ****.

You nearly got me there, have a laugh and see banter makes like a little bit more liveable, nice try ;o))))

 

[Deleted member 9648]

It is an interesting phenomena that anyone other than a bona fida time served electrician with at least 100 years of experience is incapable of altering a ring circuit and it remaining a ring circuit on completion.
Given that a circuit really does not get any simpler, just a big loop, it really does defy logical explanation.
Kev is the worst offender, I have never, ever come across a kitchen ring altered by Kev that is still a ring. It should be a legal requirement that any sockets altered or installed by Kev must have the OCPD reduced to a maximum 20a. Mind you, Kev would see that as a green light to wire his multiple spurs in 1.0mm.....so prap's not.

 

[Midwest]

You nearly got me there, have a laugh and see banter makes like a little bit more liveable, nice try ;o))))

Easy meat though, isn't it

 

[Squid]

Easy meat though, isn't it

Yep and its fun........