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Hi all.

I am looking for some advice. I am looking to become certified to install consumption measuring devices in small businesses. I have many years of expereince on basic single phase supplies includiing consumer units etc, assisting my father's company when he's snowed under but never formally qualified.

I would like to become formally qualified to provide smart metering at appliance level which will involve individual metering on 16 amp appliances and adding measurement to exisitng consumer units up to 120amp..

An NICEC qulaified colleague said he was sure that I could train specifically and ontain a competency qualification for the work involved which wouldn't require being a fully qualified electrician.

If this is correct can anyone point me in the right direction of where to start?

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Hi all.

I would like to become formally qualified to provide smart metering at appliance level which will involve individual metering on 16 amp appliances and adding measurement to exisitng consumer units up to 120amp..
At the appliance end if the monitoring equipment can be plugged in then no qualifications are required, however delving into the Consumer Unit requires competence, your last statement concerning this is very confusing, "adding measurement to existing consumer units up to 120amp" what do you mean?
 
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Hi Mike thank you for the reply,

When I refer the consumer units I mean 120amp max load capacity for that circuit.

The measuring equipment for indivdual equipment is 16amp and 50 amp but are 'wired in' rather than plug in if that makes sense.
 

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I would have thought the current measuring would be better if done by current clamps, rather than having to disconnect each circuit and insert.
 
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Yes that can be done with current clamps at 50 and 100 amps on the consumer unit but not at appliance level.
 

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Are the appliances plugged in or hard wired, makes a difference to the definition of "circuit" and competency required.
 
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Are the appliances plugged in or hard wired, makes a difference to the definition of "circuit" and competency required.
The more accurate equipment we have is hard wired. examples include:
Coolers rated at 32amps - equpment added on a slave consumer unit
Kitchen equipment rated at 16 amps - equipment added in a searate sealed pattress.

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Yes that can be done with current clamps at 50 and 100 amps on the consumer unit but not at appliance level.

If the appliances are plugged in then you could use a monitoring device which has a plug and a socket so that it can be inserted in line. Would save disturbing connections in consumer units, which is your current (nice pun) problem.

Edit: just seen your post about them being hard wired. Surely you could still use current clamps for cookers etc though.
 
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If the appliances are plugged in then you could use a monitoring device which has a plug and a socket so that it can be inserted in line. Would save disturbing connections in consumer units, which is your current (nice pun) problem.
Thanks DPG I know. But the better euipment for the monitoring back end is hard wired. I'll need to be able to provide both.
 
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And this 'certification' that you want... is for only commercial installations ?? Never for domestic ?
 
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And this 'certification' that you want... is for only commercial installations ?? Never for domestic ?
Commercial is the main area. Theres possibly some business where private accomodation may crossover to domestic I would imagine,.
 

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