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hadleigh sparks

I have been asked by a friend to install their alarm as they have been recently burgled. i have done a few over the last few years but to be honest i stray away from them as i prefer industrial and commercial wiring. I am NIC approved and cant be bothered to go down the nacoss route. but I will be putting my friends alarm in for their peace of mind.
my question is ( got their in the end) can i have all your opinions which is better , hard wired or wireless . what is the trade installing most of in current times.
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Hi,

I have been installing alarms for many years andf always have stuck to wired over wireless, but I must say the visonic range is excell

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As I was going to say

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I am now hating my new PC, Must be female!!

As i was going to say
1 Easy to enroll detector,key fobs, bells etc
2 Can be brougt in a kit form 2 detectors 1 bell 1 control panel 2 key fobs already enrolled on system and this also includes a built in dialler
3 Fitting time should be no more than 3hrs including training of the customer
 
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hadleigh sparks

Brilliant thanks very much , sold on the wireless as their house is the most perfect with white carpets everwhere ( electricians nightmare ) will check out the visoninc range

I am now hating my new PC, Must be female!!

As i was going to say
1 Easy to enroll detector,key fobs, bells etc
2 Can be brougt in a kit form 2 detectors 1 bell 1 control panel 2 key fobs already enrolled on system and this also includes a built in dialler
3 Fitting time should be no more than 3hrs including training of the customer
 

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We all have our preferences - I stick with Scantronic I-on for radio, but always prefer to instal wired if at all possible.

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KevinS

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Fitted the wireless scantronic I-on 16 to my own house 2 years ago as can't praise it enough
both have their advantages/disadvantages, wired is cheaper but it's got the wires that you need to hide. If cost isnt a major factor go for wireless. It costs about £100 to buy wired, £300 for wire free
 

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When installing alarms, I always use wired systems.Texecom is my preferred make, who do offer some advanced wireless systems.I have added wireless devices to a wired system, and it has caused nothing but trouble for me. Receiver in loft, and detector in remote garage (no more than 20m away). The detector is often generating a system fault.
 

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i use gardtec panels with wireless detectors from risco and have only ever had 1 problem with 1 installation being prone to crashing with a power cut. can be bought as a kit inc. 6 detectors for just over £200+ VAT.
 
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alarm man

When installing alarms, I always use wired systems.Texecom is my preferred make, who do offer some advanced wireless systems.I have added wireless devices to a wired system, and it has caused nothing but trouble for me. Receiver in loft, and detector in remote garage (no more than 20m away). The detector is often generating a system fault.
wireless is very reliable now,for domestics id probably go wireless everytime customers prefer it to having boards lifted etc,id stick to wired for commercial ,are you getting radio faults or false alarms
 

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wireless is very reliable now,for domestics id probably go wireless everytime customers prefer it to having boards lifted etc,id stick to wired for commercial ,are you getting radio faults or false alarms
I am assuming Radio faults.The log just says zone fault, with no clear indication of the cause.
 
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My Yale wireless has been in 5 years, no problems at all, and only replaced the batteries once.
 

Matth

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I believe that the scant tonic I-on series do a system that is both wired and wireless, very handy if you want to upgrade an existing wired alarm with additional zones.
 

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these wireless ones sound very impresive bet the alarm guys arent happy though less money for them with these
 

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these wireless ones sound very impresive bet the alarm guys arent happy though less money for them with these
But they are generally quicker to fit! And for alarms, the revenue from annual servicing visits can be more important that the installation profit (though I appreciate that for many sparks it's the installation element that counts).

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Ponty Massive

I've never fitted one (or even see one).

Is it just a case of running a mains supply to the panel then everthing else is wireless, keypad, bell, sensors etc?
 

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I've never fitted one (or even see one).

Is it just a case of running a mains supply to the panel then everthing else is wireless, keypad, bell, sensors etc?
At it's simplest, yes. Some systems still hard wire the RKP and/or external sounder, but often have wireless options. If you are going to install regularly, it's better to use one manufacturer and get to know the kit (and the quirks) well. Wireless has come a long way, but signal strength and interference are still issues to watch. Like all systems, getting to understand the programming and possible/likely source of faults is important too. Battery life has talen major steps forward over the last few years.

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Kevinmarshall

When I surfing I read information : Hardwired alarm panels are less expensive than wireless panels, but they are harder to install. Keep this in mind if you are planning on doing the installation yourself. An average home installation with a hard-wired system takes min 12-16 hours. A typical wireless installation will take less than 4 hours. The wireless system is helpful.
 
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alarm man

gardiners if your stuck,but security warehouse has a great range of kit
 

StePugh

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What you want to do is fit an hybrid alarm system like the scantronic ion 50exd as you can hard wire and use wireless so if you do the full job and complete all the circuits then you can just simply add on extra radio detectors if you buy a radio expander as well and address the radio devices to the expander
 

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Unless the wireless systems can boast grade 3a or higher I would stick to a wired system
 

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So it has limited jamming capibility, and therefore can be jammed
 
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firespark

Personally I would stick to wired systems over wireless. My personal choice would be the Honeywell Galaxy dimension range above all.

However wireless systems have come a very long way, and if i was asked to install wireless system or a wireless system would be beneficial due to cabling issues, Like many people have already stated it would be the Scantronic I-on range hands down!
Scantronic have been producing radio accessories such as panic buttons and signalling kit on top of radio panels for a very long time, (and are pretty dam good at it) Also being a scantronic they are easy to use, simple to set up/commission and they just seem to last forever.

Regardless what wireless system you go for in then end, just ensure you replace the batteries when the manufacture recommends.
 

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accordfire

Hybrid ion system is grade 3 or grade 2 you can choose in the programming
Only for the wired parts of the system. Wireless still falls outside the scope of grading as of PD6662:2010. and BS8243. You can grade the system as 2 or 3 so long as the majority of the system is compliant with that grade. Just waiting for the insurance companies to start the "but they broke in via a point covered only by wire free, ergo, not graded, ergo, claim fail" racket....

My money is on Texecom Premier Elite however, as a better system all round - and Ricochet is reliable for the most part if wireless is a must. COMIP connected to customer broadband (port opened in router) make for very easy fault diagnosis and remote reset from a laptop where needed.

Kit is far more competent, more programmable, more adaptable, and more flexible than iON too, I think.
 
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