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I have been working last couple weeks with a SE spark right nice bloke who has an apprentice...Guess what HE is NOT allowed to use a knife at college ? HAS this world gone FKN mad ? So he can go off and join the Army or have Sex but he can't ring a bit of SWA ?...Just gonna nut the door !

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Mad aint it, H&S would have us jump through hoops until something needs doing in a hurry and they get paid to get the hell off site!!
 

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There was a thread a while ago here about the same subject of health and safety gone mad and whether carrying a knife in your toolbox is good or bad.

I thought those 'impossible to cut yourself' safety knives were all the rage nowadays.
 
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I remember when I started college about 18 yeas ago when I started college, you could only use/ take in a cable knife and not use a stanley knife.

Suppose it won't be long until they stop them using screwdrivers too as they can be a bugger when you stab yourself in then hand.
 

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That apprentices' college needs a field trip round my way,if teenagers can have firearms,class A drugs,fighting dogs,tasers and CS gas,then the least they can give em' is a quality craft knife. With a safety cork fitted,obviously.
 

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I have been working last couple weeks with a SE spark right nice bloke who has an apprentice...Guess what HE is NOT allowed to use a knife at college ? HAS this world gone FKN mad ? So he can go off and join the Army or have Sex but he can't ring a bit of SWA ?...Just gonna nut the door !

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Have they banned wood chisels for apprentice joiners yet ?
 
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When I was at college we weren't allowed to take Stanley-type knives in - we had to use electricians' knives or the stupid blunt cobblers' knives they provided which may have been ok for spreading margarine but not much else.
 
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Was at the British Gypsum site at Mountfield recently......site induction stated strictly no stanley knives in your toolbox under threat of being removed from site if found with one.......no problem with a chainsaw as far as I could tell though.:shocked:
 
Your not allowed to use a Stanley nice on most blue book jobs in the uk either they give you stripping tool for the swa more dangerous if you ask me
 
We were at the supermarket a while back and there was a money-off voucher in one of the local papers. One of the till ladies offered to cut it out for us, but after a few minutes of trying with a "plastic pair of safety scissors" she gave up and we ripped it out.
 
Production operatives use stanley knives at work for opening cardboard boxes and we issue spare blades from the maint dept, previous H&S guy made us hand out a warning memo ("warning, sharp blades" etc.) with each one, what a waste of paper. Luckily present H&S guy is more practical and saves wasting paper!.
 

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you may find that some dumb ass have been walking around college with tools in this pocket and got court with a knive on him
 
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I always carry my stanley knife in my work trousers, its a useful tool that can get you out of a number of situations. I've hit myself with a hammer more than I've cut myself so... At this rate we'll end up wiv a toolbox from the early learning centre

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I have 4 different types of knives in my tool bag, couldn't imagine being without them. Back at home, one of my favourite tools is the scalpel, but I don't take those out with me.
 

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Remember one apprentice who needed training up with a fork, never mind a knife.
 
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I remeember it was safety knives only at college.

Current apprentice has been on the job for two weeks, said to him under no circumstances if he to use a stanley blade because he doesn't know how to use one safely. Nipped out of the job for 10minuites, come back he comes running back to the van crying for a plaster. Asked him what happened, turned out he cut himself on a stanley blade taking some old lino flooring up, wasnt even looking at what he was doing when he cut himself!
Said to him I tell you things for a reason, not just for fun!!!! (Apart from when he asked for a Fellatio cake in Greggs for me)
 
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H&S gone mad ive always used a stanley knife,and yup ive cut my fingers a few times but i can still count to Ten with my fingers.Most building sites now as you all know,site manager wants you wearing gloves whats all that about oh yeah
H&S gone mad.
 
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I have been working last couple weeks with a SE spark right nice bloke who has an apprentice...Guess what HE is NOT allowed to use a knife at college ? HAS this world gone FKN mad ? So he can go off and join the Army or have Sex but he can't ring a bit of SWA ?...Just gonna nut the door !

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Apprentices can use knives, but not the stanley type.

Cheers..............Howard
 
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The company I work for makes the fitters wear Kevlar sleeves when there using Stanley knifes.

They did try and make the electricians wear them too... I've managed to stop them so far.
 
Most building sites now as you all know,site manager wants you wearing gloves whats all that about oh yeah
H&S gone mad.
I was on a site for Baileys a few years back and we were instructed to wear gloves at all times withing the site boundary but because it's tricky terminating cables with them on we were allowed to cut the fingers and thumbs of them.
No one ever replied when I asked what the point of gloves was (It's a precaution against leptospirosis aka Weills disease apparently)
 
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The biggest problem I’ve had is convincing people of the dangers of blunt knifes. The main reason I always used a Stanley or Tyzak knife. You can’t get the Tyzak anymore.
 

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Yep,how i was brought up.A blunt knife is more dangerous than a sharp one but ONLY when used by someone instructed in its safe use.Mind you,i spent half an hour showing my lad (8 at the time) how to use a hot glue gun and ended up taking the skin off my thumb....
 

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Worked on a site once, and the all metal stanley knives were banned (live bars below), technically we were supposed to use ceramic bladed knives aswell, but they agreed to allow us plastic handled knives.

I , and a couple of lads got one from a pound type shop (as we needed them that day), on the cardboard packaging a warning:
Warning Not Suitable For Children Under 4 Years !
WTF ?:joker:
 
Worked on a site once, and the all metal stanley knives were banned (live bars below), technically we were supposed to use ceramic bladed knives aswell, but they agreed to allow us plastic handled knives.

I , and a couple of lads got one from a pound type shop (as we needed them that day), on the cardboard packaging a warning:
Warning Not Suitable For Children Under 4 Years !
WTF ?:joker:
They must breed em tough where those knives were made :)
 
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Whats a Blue Book job mate never heard of that

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Blue Book is the National Agreement used on the power generation sites. But Stanley knives are " unwelcome" on most commercial/industrial jobs, not just the Blue Book sites. And as to gloves there are more varieties than Heinz offered to you on most of the commercial and industrial sites.
 

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Currently working on a large site , its a gloved site no knives ,no steps ,ladders etc but they're more than happy to let you work in temperatures you would'nt leave your dog out in as for all the extra PPE it actually made things worse as people were overheating, safety glasses steamed up so you can't see anything

Sounds safe does'nt it
its about time they taught people some judgment skills and common sense.

Also with all the health and safety these days has anyone noticed there are more idiots about than ever, its undoing Darwins theories to some degree

Ps I'm all for health and safety but it needs to be realistic
The comment before about gloves preventing the contraction of weils disease is daft as most sites will issue one pair of gloves most workers are not going to wash or replace them which means they are worn until they fall apart ,so you could actually be wearing gloves all the time which may be carrying these germs, surely this would increase the chances of catching something nasty
I fail to see how any knife can be a safety knife, if it can cut material it can cut you, I bought an auto retracting stanley knife and its more dangerous to the user than a normal one

I like many people have possessed knives from being a youngster
ok you get a few cuts but you learn
nowadays its seen as irresponsible to have a knife for any reason especially youngsters (asides from the carrying as a weapon)
My lads 6 and 7 have been up the local woods with me where they have been told how to handle these tools which is what they are, and they now know how to be carefull and think before they do something , the reaction from people passing by is mixed from blokes remembering their youth to outright disgust by some people who say I'm teaching them to use weapons, but I just stress they are tools primarily and it takes an idiot to turn it into a weapon and I'd bet that they cut themselves more often than someone with experience of a few nicks
Most young apprentices I've seen have never really used a knife before which I suspect is why they always seem to cut themselves, saying that they are not taught how to use any basic handtools anymore at college.
 
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Totally agree. We are dumbing down basic skills to the level that many can't now function unless a fancy machine, complete with safety guards, is available to do the work for them.
A stanley knife is one of the most useful bits of kit an electrician can own (I have owned a locking one for decades), yet it's made out to be tantamount to carrying a loaded shotgun!
 

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This thread reminds me of the ludicrous rules that shops have when selling knives/blades...

A few years ago I bought an expensive set of VDE screwdrivers from a large DIY chain and they insisted on checking ID to make sure I was over 18...

At the same time I was buying a 4 foot spirit level which could easily have been used to batter someone to death, but that could be sold to a 5 year old...

As I said to them at the time, if I was buying a screwdriver to use as a weapon, it would hardly be a boxed set of the premium insulated type would it?!
 
This thread reminds me of the ludicrous rules that shops have when selling knives/blades...

A few years ago I bought an expensive set of VDE screwdrivers from a large DIY chain and they insisted on checking ID to make sure I was over 18...

At the same time I was buying a 4 foot spirit level which could easily have been used to batter someone to death, but that could be sold to a 5 year old...

As I said to them at the time, if I was buying a screwdriver to use as a weapon, it would hardly be a boxed set of the premium insulated type would it?!
You may be violent but very classy :)
 

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I have prepared a small document to assist forum members on the law regarding carrying bladed articles, this should not be relied on as legal defence but as a guide.
 

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Production operatives use stanley knives at work for opening cardboard boxes and we issue spare blades from the maint dept, previous H&S guy made us hand out a warning memo ("warning, sharp blades" etc.) with each one, what a waste of paper. Luckily present H&S guy is more practical and saves wasting paper!.
HSE meets `green`then...
 
you can get done for any tools, I have heard of somebody getting lifted by passing plod at a burger van the other side of a site fence for having a round file in the pen compartment of his work trousers.....I have also been approached when walking down the street with a tool box....but they got to about 3 feet away and just turned and walked off....

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you can get done for any tools, I have heard of somebody getting lifted by passing plod at a burger van the other side of a site fence for having a round file in the pen compartment of his work trousers.....I have also been approached when walking down the street with a tool box....but they got to about 3 feet away and just turned and walked off....
 
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This thread reminds me of the ludicrous rules that shops have when selling knives/blades...

A few years ago I bought an expensive set of VDE screwdrivers from a large DIY chain and they insisted on checking ID to make sure I was over 18...

At the same time I was buying a 4 foot spirit level which could easily have been used to batter someone to death, but that could be sold to a 5 year old...

As I said to them at the time, if I was buying a screwdriver to use as a weapon, it would hardly be a boxed set of the premium insulated type would it?!
I'd like to hear the 'reasoning' behind this idea that if you're over the age of 18 you're going to use a blade or tool for it's intended purpose, but anyone under the age of 18 is going to use it to stab someone. I expect it ticks some box for having done 'something' to help combat knife crime, but it seems to be stopping kids from learning how to use knives safely.
 
Makes perfect sense.... My straight A* 16 year old son shouldn't buy anything sharp, but a 21 year old thug with a criminal record for GBH is allowed to buy a knife from the local DIY shop....
 
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On the other hand how about this one,a few years ago an intruder entered our home and attacked my wife ,being in another room I heard the noise and grabbed my asp (extendable baton) from the drawer.I fought off the intruder with a few strikes of the baton in the manner I was trained,however when the police turned up and heard the story they said I should have used a large kitchen knife to defend myself as it was ok to posess a knife but not a baton.I then asked them which one was more likely to provide a fatal injury bearing in mind I was trained with a baton,and the fact that its very difficult to be selective with a knife whilst fighting an intruder.They thought I was being difficult ffs.
 
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I have prepared a small document to assist forum members on the law regarding carrying bladed articles, this should not be relied on as legal defence but as a guide.
copy and paste you mean,,:policeman: tho it doesnt just apply to knives,my mate got stopped for speeding,which quickly went to having an offensive weapon as he had a terminal on the passenger seat,took some explaining he was on his way back from a callout,this appliies to all tools that maybe to hand,if your like me i have allsorts of tools/drivers on the dash on the seat etc,its a strange law but you could be pulled up for it,all tools must be in the back,time i cleaned my van out
 
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I expect their point was that you bought the kitchen knife for cutting up food, and may have redeployed it to fend off an intruder, whereas there aren't many other reasons for owning an asp other than for hitting people with. It seems like the same sort of argument against owning a gun 'for protection', ie you've bought it with the specific intention of shooting someone, which isn't on.

Imagine walking to the shop in your lunch break with a pocketfull of screwdrivers - a policeman stops you and asks you why you've got them; the answer he wants to hear is "I'm an electrician and I use them for work", and not "for protection", although if someone tried to mug you it may be some defence to say you used whatever you had to hand in the situation.
 
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I expect their point was that you bought the kitchen knife for cutting up food, and may have redeployed it to fend off an intruder, whereas there aren't many other reasons for owning an asp other than for hitting people with. It seems like the same sort of argument against owning a gun 'for protection', ie you've bought it with the specific intention of shooting someone, which isn't on.

Imagine walking to the shop in your lunch break with a pocketfull of screwdrivers - a policeman stops you and asks you why you've got them; the answer he wants to hear is "I'm an electrician and I use them for work", and not "for protection", although if someone tried to mug you it may be some defence to say you used whatever you had to hand in the situation.
Agreed mate but the point was if I had stabbed him then it would have been me who would of ended up in court even though we were the victims,police round here have gone daft at the moment,got pulled up the other day,first time in over ten years for driving an unmarked police car ffs its a white volvo with the clear strobes that light up amber and a dashcam for when some idiot pulls out on me.
 
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Well I am in 3 different custody suites tomorrow and will have various stanley knives about my person, and an angle grinder and drill bits, hole saws, cutters, woodsaws....
 
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My grandad (royal marine, admirals bodyguard in WW2) always had a crowbar behind his seat in case he needed it to free someone from a damaged car, etc (he was a firefighter too after marines). Was told this was a good enough reason to have it there to 'hand'


Mind he was so big he wouldnt have needed a crowbar for anything
 
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When i first started out as an Apprentice, we were all issued a complete tool set in a canvas tool bag for use in the factory, and a second kit, for use at the companies training school for practical work. All tools were inspected regularly and you paid for any that were lost etc. A lot of it was of the all insulated type, but i'm pretty dammed sure there was an insulated handle Stanley type knife in the factory kit, as well as a couple of other specialised knifes.

I dread to think what the modern HSE Herbert's etc would think of some of the old working practices i was officially taught during those years. But notice i did state ''Working'' practices, that's because they DID work!! Going back to Knifes, we were taught, there is only two instances of knife being dangerous, one's a blunt knife!! Ask any butcher or artisan, that uses knifes of every type and description on a daily basis!!! The other is a knife in the hands of an untrained person trying to perform a skilled task.... Knifes are sharp for a reason, the job they are specifically designed for, ...is to to cut and/or slice, a given material with minimum effort....
 
Well I am in 3 different custody suites tomorrow and will have various stanley knives about my person, and an angle grinder and drill bits, hole saws, cutters, woodsaws....
You shouldn't have too much trouble escaping then lol.

If I remember rightly, the 911 hi-jackers used Stanley knives to gain access to the flight decks, so they haven't been the flavor of the month for quite some time.
 
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police round here have gone daft at the moment,got pulled up the other day,first time in over ten years for driving an unmarked police car ffs its a white volvo with the clear strobes that light up amber and a dashcam for when some idiot pulls out on me.
It makes you wonder how they can approve this tat then.
 
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What did they say about the amber strobes?
Just wanted to know what I wanted them for,told them that I like to be seen when dealing with any accidents that I come across,showed him all the other kit in the back and he just walked off.bit sick I think,cause my kits better than some of there,s.
 
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Just wanted to know what I wanted them for,told them that I like to be seen when dealing with any accidents that I come across,showed him all the other kit in the back and he just walked off.bit sick I think,cause my kits better than some of there,s.
you fitted lights to your car just incase you come across a crash,whats in the back, cones and accident signs,
 

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The vast majority of stab/cuts treated at A&E are caused by kitchen knives and glasses/bottles and I've been told screwdrivers are also used a lot ,but this figure has come down because if the police stop someone who has a record for burglary and they have a screwdriver then they can charge them with going equipped etc but I would have thought it would be the other way around as the penalty for carrying knives has increased in the last few years,
but kitchen knives are very readily available and therefore more often the weapon of choice
 
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