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True. Only that the current HGV crisis is down to Brexit. 😏
Rubbish. It's down to pre-Brexit foreign migrant drivers prepared to work for minimum wage drove wages down below survival level for British drivers with families and mortgages, so they left to seek a decent wage. now the foreign drivers have largely gone back home, there's a shortage.
 
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It’s ok….the temporary visas have been a success and there’s an army of foreign (or at least non-uk) drivers coming to save Christmas!

An army of….. um…… 137!

That’ll fix things. 😆
 
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Best not to start a panic buying frenzy... look where the petrol rumours got us !
Even the Government have said here will be food shortages over Christmas mate.

You do you, I'll do me. :)

Got a family to feed here. I'll be stocking up every week from now till then. Worst case scenario I can't move around a room in my house for a few months in 2022 but barely need to shop for a few months too.
 
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It’s ok….the temporary visas have been a success and there’s an army of foreign (or at least non-uk) drivers coming to save Christmas!

An army of….. um…… 137!

That’ll fix things. 😆

137 have applied, claiming to be tanker drivers, that doesn't mean they've been approved or granted a Visa.
That would be subject to I.D confirmation, background checks, criminal record checks etc.

You could probably wipe out half the applicants.

Once they've got a Visa they've then got to be assessed by a fuel distribution company before being employed.
I'd expect they'd want proof of previous employment as a fuel tanker driver and evidence of driving a Right hand drive lorry in the U.K.

You can now wipe the rest of them out, they'll end up driving skip lorries.

If they were worth employing they wouldn't have to travel nearly 2000 miles through all the countries in the E.U with driver shortages just to get a job.
 
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Rubbish. It's down to pre-Brexit foreign migrant drivers prepared to work for minimum wage drove wages down below survival level for British drivers with families and mortgages, so they left to seek a decent wage. now the foreign drivers have largely gone back home, there's a shortage.
So basically you’re saying that they’ve gone home due to Brexit! 🤔😂 QED.
 
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Mostly they’ve gone back due to covid and conditions and pay improving relative to the U.K. over the past decade or so
Yep, COVID acted like a catalyst to the labour effects of Brexit. Eastern Europe has been levelling up over the past few years. Will be interesting to see how the service sector copes now restaurants and bars are opening up. Lots of jobs going for chefs, waiters and bar staff.
 
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The consumer will have to pay a little more (have restaurant food prices even gone up in the past 10-15 years?). It’s probably an example of a sector where prices have become unsustainably low due to a reliance on cheap labour.

People who are working full time should not be getting benefits. They should be getting paid a fair wage to live on. The taxpayer shouldn’t be subsidising low wages, just to enable people to eat out artificially cheaply.
 
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Ireland is now looking towards Europe and less towards the UK for trade

Today a new terminal between Dunkirk and Ireland was opened
 
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Ireland is now looking towards Europe and less towards the UK for trade

Today a new terminal between Dunkirk and Ireland was opened

It makes sense that Ireland are expanding sea links with other EU member states, but the downside is delays during inclement weather and additional costs.

I reckon if Enda Kenny hadn't been nudged out of the way, there'd have been an agreement that was much more beneficial for both the UK and Ireland.
 
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Much of the problem is down to the "Just in time" ethos which has some great advantages in reducing costs to manufacturers and is undeniably more efficient.

So, rather than Mega Manufacturing Corp having warehouses full of components they rely on suppliers delivering components direct to point and time of use; you often see lorries being unloaded directly onto a manufacturing line.

...and it cascades down, MMCs supplier will operate on a similar principle and so on and so forth...

However it is susceptible to to even very minor disruption, it is a house of cards on an unstable foundation and there is little or no buffer.

Brexit was manageable, and was being managed. What little buffer there was was enough to maintain the supply chains. Throw in Covid and it all goes tits up.

This is not over, not even sure its fully begun in that the supply chains are still collapsing.

When that has finished there'll be some big decisions to make...

Have you heard the phrase "Build back better" 'They' know what is about to happen, the shortages that will ensue, the unrest it will generate and are taking steps to control this.

Power shortages.
Food shortages.
Fuel shortages.
Civil disorder.

I'm going long on flares and Choppers, it's going to be the 70s all over again.

Whilst the plebs are worrying about getting the latest Chinese plastic gonk in time for Christmas stock up on dried goods, candles and camping gas.

Don't have nightmares.
 
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