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Hi all, am going to be doing an inspection on a property which the customer wants a satisfactory report. ie no c1's, c2's. First question Bathroom lighting circut has no 30ma rcd protection, so a C2, next problem lighting circut into bathroom has no Cpc. Can i get around this by installing supplementary bonding in the bathroom?. What does no earth in lighting circuts go down as? C1?. I suspect the board my be a rewire able so possibility of a new board, but how can i give them a satisfactory report? my mind boggles. Thanks
 
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The customer dictating how the report will come out? That's a good one. Your report will be what it will be mate, all you can do is code it up and quote for any remedials needed/recommended
 
Is the bathroom upstairs? You might have some luck in a lighting junction box in the attic finding a CPC in there...
 
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graham123

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The client will be paying for the remedial's but not a rewire
 
Well no earthing in lighting circuits goes down as a c3 as long as no class 1 (metallic) fixtures are used and a suitable label fixed at the db. IMO if it has no earth and it has an enclosed ip rated fitting, it would not require supplementary bonding either, although I would wait for someone to confirm/diasagree with this, all other bathroom circuits would require 30ma protection or supplementary bonding.
If you fit a new board just fit an rcbo on the lighting, it will still give shock protection.
 
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graham123

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Can i even put an ip65 fitting in the bathroom tho because that would require an earth connection?
 
Depending in age of install I'd say both lack of RCD c3 and lack of cpc to lights c3, as long as no class 1 items and circuit is 2 core throughout. I would recommend to my clients RCD protection & lighting circuit rewire would be beneficial. Is bonding satisfatory ?
 
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Geordie Spark

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The customer dictating how the report will come out? That's a good one. Your report will be what it will be mate, all you can do is code it up and quote for any remedials needed/recommended
It sounds to me like a case of "You give me very nice report & later I give you very nice Balti"
 
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Geordie Spark

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I've had that offer Geordie, I never got the curry but he did pay the bill under protest.
I have an'all bonny lad ..... but in my case it was for a gas job that I felt obliged to walk away from.
 
Hi all, am going to be doing an inspection on a property which the customer wants a satisfactory report. ie no c1's, c2's. First question Bathroom lighting circut has no 30ma rcd protection, so a C2, next problem lighting circut into bathroom has no Cpc. Can i get around this by installing supplementary bonding in the bathroom?. What does no earth in lighting circuts go down as? C1?. I suspect the board my be a rewire able so possibility of a new board, but how can i give them a satisfactory report? my mind boggles. Thanks
Graham, have a read through the guide below, some of your code suggestions are rather strange and how would installing supplementary bonding allow you to 'get around' the lack of a CPC to a lighting circuit?

http://www.esc.org.uk/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/industry/best_practice/BestPracticeGuide4-Locked.pdf
 
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graham123

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I was under the impression that if you had a lighting circuit which did have a cpc, then you could install supplementary bonding and you would not require rcd protection. But im not sure about lighting circuit with no cpc, is their no alternative to a rewire of that circuit?
 
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Geordie Spark

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I was under the impression that if you had a lighting circuit which did have a cpc, then you could install supplementary bonding and you would not require rcd protection. But im not sure about lighting circuit with no cpc, is their no alternative to a rewire of that circuit?
Candles perhaps? :clown:
 
Surely as long as the supplementary bonding is there between pipework and circuits with Cpc's then I can't see a problem with no cpc in the lighting?
 
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Guest55

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Why are we fitting supplementary bonding on a CU change ?
Does the "board change" in the thread title have no relevence ?
i seem lost on where this is going lol.
 

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The title of the post is a bit confusing with the text saying your about to carry out a inspection!

Graham IMO I would carry out the PIR first and identify exactally what faults exist at the premises !

That is if it is a PIR your about to do!
 
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DO The PIR then assess the condition of installation as you should be competant to do bear in mind the age of property and regs in force at that time OR are you of the "5 week everything was wired last week and requires an RCD" brigade?
 
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Do the EICR list the defects if any agree a cost to fix them then sign off the EICR as satisfactory that what I do but if I get no thanks it an unsatisfactory and a invoice for the EICR
 

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