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In the run up to A-level Results Day (August 15) Diane Johnson, Skills Ambassador at the Electrical Contractors’ Association (ECA), urges young people and their parents to consider all options when it comes to taking the next educational step:

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and I thought that the UK was saturated with electricians, plumbers and the likes... I must be wrong.. :)
I dont know many places that taken on apprentices now.
 
Yet again we have suits that are too lazy to do their job and run with the same old urban myths ie there is a massive skills shortage O yea well listing to radio 5 live this morning was a guy who worked in IT for a big insurance company who said we are bringing IT experts over from India that he had to train up only to get paid off as hi job was transferred to India.

Reading this nonsense only confirms what a state this country is in plus Dan I don't know if you are promoting this for your sponsors I hope not as this type of thing is only agrivating an already saturated trade
 
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we are bringing IT experts over from India that he had to train up only to get paid off as hi job was transferred to India.

Reading this nonsense only confirms what a state this country is in plus Dan I don't know if you are promoting this for your sponsors I hope not as this type of thing is only agrivating an already saturated trade

My son has been trying his hardest to get IT work, no apprenticeships, no jobs!!! makes me SO Fing Angry
 
My son has been trying his hardest to get IT work, no apprenticeships, no jobs!!! makes me SO Fing Angry

I agree I specialise in fault finding so being told there is not a problem when it is staring me in the face makes me cynical when these suits pop up with these comments so I have written to ECA to request what facts they have to support their article .

As always politicians are catching up late ie Labour this morning say Tesco & Next are ignoring British labour and hiring cheaper Eastern European O really you dont say and as for the Indian IT experts well I do rental repairs and yep he is over here working and his heavily pregnant wife is in the house with her mother is here not because he is better than your son its because he is cheaper so ironically we are sucking in guys like him with dependants who have not paid a penny into our system
 
False reports to get kids onto courses for jobs that don't exist... its the domestic side that is saturated the big hole in our industry is in the industrial sector and Electrical Engineering quarters.... pen pushes with misguided reports justifying why they exist or closet qwango's as i like to call them - totally out of touch with reality.
 
plus Dan I don't know if you are promoting this for your sponsors I hope not as this type of thing is only agrivating an already saturated trade

I thought Dan put it up as a joke, cause the trade is already going down hill quickly.. If he is doing this to promote his sponsors then I think it will back fire..
 
Aye send your children into self employed market with no security of wages soon as thy leave apprenticeship never mind having good life for working hard for your money, I'd rather they have part time job and go to uni.. If they don't have there minds set elsewhere .
 
Just realised how pretentious the post title of "ECA skills Ambassador" what happened to ECA Spokesperson or ECA Training Strategist I wonder if they have diplomatic immunity to Bullsh!t
 
There has never been a shortage of tradesmen.
there is a shortage of decent tradesmen with a bit of pride in their work though.
all this is to make sure all these trainers keep their 45k + car+ benefits jobs.
what is their answer to this "skills gap"
Lets dumb it down as much as possible so everyone passes regardless of ability.
Yeah that's helpful alright.
 
Having just read this article with all the usual half truths and misinformation, it dawned on me that this is being written by a representative of the ''Electrical Contractors’ Association'' the very people that represent the companies that should be promoting and encouraging meaningful apprenticeships, ...Right?? So why is it, that only a very few of them are actually taking on bona fide apprentices?? These buggers haven't been active in the apprentice arena for what seems a good many years now!! They seem to only become remotely interested, as and when the Government is dishing out grants or other financial incentives etc!!! From what i can understand most of these so-called ''grant apprenticeships'' only have a duration of 2 years, so even at the end of these short training periods, you're still NOT going to have a well rounded tradesmen, just another part trained individual!! The word Hypocritical springs to mind!!

Rather than having a pop at the students and parents of school leavers, where's her so called leadership in kick starting these associated companies she is representing, into bona fide training schemes that will deliver the well rounded qualified electricians the UK will be needing?? Strikes me that her ECA post and title, is little more than an over paid resident desk job for someone that has little to no idea what is required as an electrician, or what's even going on in the big real world outside of her office!!


Said it more than once on here, the UK as a country will be hiring overseas contract electricians, in the not too distant future, (like the Saudi Arabia of Europe, without it's money) to provide cover for what little industries we have left. One things for absolute sure, our abundance of 17 Day/electrical trainee's ain't gonna be of any use whatsoever in industry, or even in the building of those industrial facilities!!
 
Well I have wrote to them asking where they got their info to back this article up So 2 things here if they do not get back to me then like E54 said its someone flying a desk and in my view just plain lazy repeating urban myths or they may reply but don't hold your breath
 
she should stop worrying. there's half a million romanians & bulgarians packing their bags as we speak. they'll be happy to fill the gaps. for naff all.
 
As has already been said it's a sad situation with false promises and a lot of dumbing down, youngsters go on college courses that promise to turn them into qualified electricians and they end up coming out as little more than house bashers.Now I'm not knocking people who do houses but the country is full of them,it's industrial sparkies that we are short of,what will happen when the older ones retire? because there will be one hell of a hole to fill,and colleges are not helping either the last lad I trained up asked at college about pyro and was told they would not be doing it as " it's a black art and nobody uses it any more because you can use fp200 instead" really! A recent classic which highlights this was an electrician in the wholesalers i was talking to and he was going mad because it was 4.30 and he had to go to make off a pyro end,there was 15 sparks on the firm and he was the only one who knew how,needless to say he was a lot older than the other lads.Any way you look at it the situation is a right mess and needs sorting out it's pointless these different groups arguing and lying about the situation they need to get together and sort it.Train the youngsters properly and then when asked what they do they can say "I am an electrician" and feel proud that they have fully learned a valuable trade.
 
I bet Dan's glad he started this post....
 
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Phil you are right there is no way of denying it as a whole society has got lazy you just have to look at this forum where some attitudes are who gives a ---- if there is a problem then I have my smart phone to tap a knowledge base. Plus have seen a few guys who have blown it to be a spark where half could not hack the college and the other could not get out of bed either way for me thats Darwins Law kicking in and saying well you aint going to make it son.
 
These *important* people in important trade bodies have to spout fear and doubt as its the only way they can justify being in that position. I'd sooner see them sacked for *real* people who are straight to the point and don't butter both sides of the bread. This type of person would be respected in my opinion.
 

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