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It's proving difficult getting a date to do the fault finding, so I'm afraid there won't be an update any time soon. I will update though when I've been back.
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I dont think so! Keep taking the pills if you think a screw has gone through 2 different cables. Im assuming you dont do much domestic stuff.This is different though. It's not a line from one circuit paired with a neutral from another, it's two different neutrals connected together. It's not something you would do even as a bodge and might be a true fault e.g. a screw through two cables.
What he means is there are two different scenarios:I dont think so! Keep taking the pills if you think a screw has gone through 2 different cables. Im assuming you dont do much domestic stuff.
I've seen where someone has put two cables one on top of each other to save on clips, notched in under floorboards, so it's certainly possible.I dont think so! Keep taking the pills if you think a screw has gone through 2 different cables. Im assuming you dont do much domestic stuff.
That is more of an interconnection than a borrowed neutral IMOWhat he means is there are two different scenarios:
A) no neutral there at all so one is stolen from elsewhere (like your conservatory light example)
B) two neutral conductors from different circuits are joined (what this thread is about and not really a borrowed neutral. All my ideas for what we could call this don’t get past the language filter….
There's really no need for that attitude - particularly towards such a highly respected member with more knowledge than you could ever get close to.I dont think so! Keep taking the pills if you think a screw has gone through 2 different cables. Im assuming you dont do much domestic stuff.
I dont think so! Keep taking the pills if you think a screw has gone through 2 different cables. Im assuming you dont do much domestic stuff.
Well, I must apologise as I shall not be returning to the customer, so I will not be able to update. I've just had the most odd conversation with him on the phone and he does not want me back. Bit shocked as that hasn't happened before. As in the opening post, he was a very difficult man to deal with but I wasn't expecting that.
His reasons were that I miss diagnosed a faulty cooker and I left the loft lights on!
I'm not a 100% sure I didn't miss diagnose the cooker. The cooker itself showed 0.1Mohms N-E. Is this perhaps acceptable for some cookers? Its an older looking rangemaster. Even so, bit harsh!
Happy not to be going back though, he was a very un pleasant man and shockingly rude to his very pleasant wife.
Oh yes, and he isn't going to pay for the 2 hours fault finding or fixing his 3 kitchen lights. I will not be going to the small claims for a £100 and shall take it on the chin, albeit a little grumpily
The neutral problem will remain and we shall never know!!!
Perhaps the real reason for not wanting you back is he has read your post #23 !Happy not to be going back though, he was a very un pleasant man and shockingly rude to his very pleasant wife.
Better off rid of him.Well, I must apologise as I shall not be returning to the customer, so I will not be able to update. I've just had the most odd conversation with him on the phone and he does not want me back. Bit shocked as that hasn't happened before. As in the opening post, he was a very difficult man to deal with but I wasn't expecting that.
His reasons were that I miss diagnosed a faulty cooker and I left the loft lights on!
I'm not a 100% sure I didn't miss diagnose the cooker. The cooker itself showed 0.1Mohms N-E. Is this perhaps acceptable for some cookers? Its an older looking rangemaster. Even so, bit harsh!
Happy not to be going back though, he was a very un pleasant man and shockingly rude to his very pleasant wife.
Oh yes, and he isn't going to pay for the 2 hours fault finding or fixing his 3 kitchen lights. I will not be going to the small claims for a £100 and shall take it on the chin, albeit a little grumpily
The neutral problem will remain and we shall never know!!!
The cooker itself showed 0.1Mohms N-E. Is this perhaps acceptable for some cookers? Its an older looking rangemaster.
I haven't touched domestic for 25 years, but I did see this happen once. Cooker circuit and ring under capping in a chase badly out of safe zone, cupboard fixing screw had connected (IIRC) the ring line to the cooker neutral.Keep taking the pills if you think a screw has gone through 2 different cables. Im assuming you dont do much domestic stuff.
As a professional civil engineer he would expect to be paid for his services and similarly so should you. At the very least send him a bill spelling out the work and cost with your bank details and terms for settlement eg within x days of date of bill. He is trying to brow beat you in area of engineering he is incompetent and unqualified. And then follow up with a polite phone call after x days. You are not a charity. What is the make and reg of car on their drive?Well, I must apologise as I shall not be returning to the customer, so I will not be able to update. I've just had the most odd conversation with him on the phone and he does not want me back. Bit shocked as that hasn't happened before. As in the opening post, he was a very difficult man to deal with but I wasn't expecting that.
His reasons were that I miss diagnosed a faulty cooker and I left the loft lights on!
I'm not a 100% sure I didn't miss diagnose the cooker. The cooker itself showed 0.1Mohms N-E. Is this perhaps acceptable for some cookers? Its an older looking rangemaster. Even so, bit harsh!
Happy not to be going back though, he was a very un pleasant man and shockingly rude to his very pleasant wife.
Oh yes, and he isn't going to pay for the 2 hours fault finding or fixing his 3 kitchen lights. I will not be going to the small claims for a £100 and shall take it on the chin, albeit a little grumpily
The neutral problem will remain and we shall never know!!!
Do you mean the one with the flat tyres?You are not a charity. What is the make and reg of car on their drive?
Please ensure that your IR test is to the Lighting Switch and NOT through their loads…!!!!!During some testing I found a N-E IR fault on the kitchen lights of 0.1Mohms. I also found a N-E IR fault on the ring sockets, again 0.1Mohms.
This could have been a coincidence, but I disconnected both neutrals from the neutral bar (i.e the kitchen lights and sockets) and tested between them. They showed continuity (0.97 ohms). Just FYI, there was no continuity with these neutrals to the neutrals of the other circuits.
This is a dual RCD board. K lights and sockets on the same side.
Does the fact the neutrals showed continuity mean this is a borrowed neutral? I have not come across continuity between neutrals before. Is this the correct test for them? Does it actually mean they are connected together somewhere, or am I missing other possibilities?
Also, as the neutrals have been connected together somewhere in the house between these 2 circuits, how do I find this join? The house is full of shoddy DIY alterations. I would like to offer at least a guess as to how you find this join, but for the life of me I cannot think of a way.
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