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hughesy

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Hi guys my bestmate asked me to rewire his house before he sells it , im doing it on the cheap as he fitted my boiler on the cheap only problem is he is gonna need a cert my company wont let me have one is there any other way round this as its a cash in hand job not to worried about part p i dont think anyone will check that but any suggations on that will be gratefully accepted.
 
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Spudnik

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Just rewire it and do a PIR.

Anyone can do them.
 
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hughesy

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Just rewire it and do a PIR.

Anyone can do them.
I thought about that but what about the part where you would normally put you company name and address would you just put your own name and address or leave it blank or blagg it bearing in mind he will beselling his house and they will probably ask for the cert.
 
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Spudnik

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No reason why you cant put your company name on their as though you are doing a requested PIR by the client.

At the end of the day, if you are really that concerned about it, then do the job, get paid cash and declare (some of) it and issue an EIC.
 
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hughesy

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No reason why you cant put your company name on their as though you are doing a requested PIR by the client.

At the end of the day, if you are really that concerned about it, then do the job, get paid cash and declare (some of) it and issue an EIC.
cheers mate , also thought of doing the rewire then telling them to get a company in to do a pereodic my company only charges 100+vat would this be fine for when he sells his house.
 
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WarrenG

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You could always take the route of notifying the LABC and issue a EIC?

Not sure what this would cost via your local LABC but at least your friend will have an EIC. As Jason said just declare some of it?
 
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assured elec

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Your a competent spark , yes , rewire the house , test , issue EIC in your own name and address and you will have no probs when the house gets sold , i very very much doubt it will even get looked at or asked for , and if it does , no estate agent , or buyer will have a clue what there looking at anyway .... That's the real truth

This is the big big problem with part P , lack of advertising, direction , or enforcement by the government and governing bodies (NICEIC , NAPIT , ELECSA) and means 99 out of a 100 people have never heard of it and don't care .

The NICEIC and the rest need to follow Corgi,s lead and get the word out , then all us sparks will earn the kind of money we deserve , just look at what a gas engineer earns.:):)
 
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Kris

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I agree with Jason if its for your pal rewire it. Then do a PIR, if anyone asks all you did was the PIR that your pal asked for to show the house was up to spec and you don't know who did the install no one will ask you and your pal can say it was done before part p came in and he's not got the install cirt anymore (mind you you can't say it was too long ago cos of the colours changing). Most people don't even ask for a PIR on a house anyway so if he don't get asked for it don't offer it to anyone and no one will be the wiser.
 
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hughesy

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Your a competent spark , yes , rewire the house , test , issue EIC in your own name and address and you will have no probs when the house gets sold , i very very much doubt it will even get looked at or asked for , and if it does , no estate agent , or buyer will have a clue what there looking at anyway .... That's the real truth

This is the big big problem with part P , lack of advertising, direction , or enforcement by the government and governing bodies (NICEIC , NAPIT , ELECSA) and means 99 out of a 100 people have never heard of it and don't care .

The NICEIC and the rest need to follow Corgi,s lead and get the word out , then all us sparks will earn the kind of money we deserve , just look at what a gas engineer earns.:):)
thats sounds good to me mate, i am a competent spark so will go with that not making any seriouse money anyway as i said its more like a favour for a favour , but just wondering what would happen if i got caught doing a rewire without issuing a part p allthough cant see it happening ,and there cant be a law about doing a job for free can there.
 
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WarrenG

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thats sounds good to me mate, i am a competent spark so will go with that not making any seriouse money anyway as i said its more like a favour for a favour , but just wondering what would happen if i got caught doing a rewire without issuing a part p allthough cant see it happening ,and there cant be a law about doing a job for free can there.
Well you know as well as I do by the time they would have caught up with you something else would have probably been introduced. But in answer to your question what is supposed to happen is what was published by the IEE in 2005 wiring matters:

ENFORCEMENT
The person carrying out electrical work
that contravenes the Building
Regulations can be fined up to £5000 for
the contravention, and £50 each day the
contravention continues. Additionally,
householders may encounter problems
selling their houses if work fails to
comply with the Building Regulations.
The householder is ultimately
responsible for ensuring that electrical
work complies with the Building
Regulations in his/her dwelling. It is the
householder/owner who may ultimately
be served with an enforcement notice.
However, the primary responsibility for
achieving compliance rests with the
person carrying out the electrical work.
 
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heathelect

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Well you know as well as I do by the time they would have caught up with you something else would have probably been introduced. But in answer to your question what is supposed to happen is what was published by the IEE in 2005 wiring matters:

ENFORCEMENT
The person carrying out electrical work
that contravenes the Building
Regulations can be fined up to £5000 for
the contravention, and £50 each day the
contravention continues. Additionally,
householders may encounter problems
selling their houses if work fails to
comply with the Building Regulations.
The householder is ultimately
responsible for ensuring that electrical
work complies with the Building
Regulations in his/her dwelling. It is the
householder/owner who may ultimately
be served with an enforcement notice.
However, the primary responsibility for
achieving compliance rests with the
person carrying out the electrical work.

I agree with above quote, and why should people get away without certifying their own work, i have to for each and every job, big or small, and it costs me hundreds of pounds each year, so i say if you get caught its your own fault and you would deserve any fine you get and i would report anyone i found who hadnt, you have to abide by the law even if you dont agree with it. regards dave
 
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hamlettphil

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we do cash in hand jobs at the weekend, aka foriners, we do quite a few re wires.. we get round it by bringing a guy in who has his own electrical business, giving him a day or twos work and he signs the cert off. mabe a local electrican would be willing to do this woth you. as far as i see everything is cushty.And of course we pay our share of tax on these jobs!!
 
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sivoodoo

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Just do it to the regs and there is no problem!
 
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sparkyork

end of the day all work needs certifying full stop, you also need to notify labc of the rewire. so you can either pay £150 and get labc to issue certs or test it yourself and use green eic's, still need labc in my opinion, spesh as there's prob a new consumer unit getting fitted.

do the job right matey and ignore the clowns that recommend another spark certifying it for you, what spark worth his salt is gonna tick all those box's as if he'd done the job, ill tell you who a bleeding cowboy would.
 
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hughesy

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I agree with above quote, and why should people get away without certifying their own work, i have to for each and every job, big or small, and it costs me hundreds of pounds each year, so i say if you get caught its your own fault and you would deserve any fine you get and i would report anyone i found who hadnt, you have to abide by the law even if you dont agree with it. regards dave
hi dave i fully agree, did you read my first thread im not earning alot on this im doing it at cost as the guy i am doing it for put me a new boiler and rads at a very cheap price so im returning the favour only thing is he will need a cert as he is selling his house so why shouldnt i be able to issue a cert without getting fined its not something i do all the time .

end of the day all work needs certifying full stop, you also need to notify labc of the rewire. so you can either pay £150 and get labc to issue certs or test it yourself and use green eic's, still need labc in my opinion, spesh as there's prob a new consumer unit getting fitted.

do the job right matey and ignore the clowns that recommend another spark certifying it for you, what spark worth his salt is gonna tick all those box's as if he'd done the job, ill tell you who a bleeding cowboy would.
i didnt know how much it was to get labc out but if its only 150 surely thats worth doing not going to tell tax man though as not really making any money im returning the favour but could i still get fined for that.
 
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