Cooker installation woes

[Peterkins]

Probably in the wrong forum but I cant seem to post elsewhere.

I'm installing a new high-end Siemens cookers in my kitchen - a regular oven and a combination one. I've got separate spurs for each back to the fuse box via isolation switches.

The oven comes with a mains cable that plugs into the back of the oven. I can wire this to a 45A un-switched cooker point. When I put the oven in the cabinet, I can plug in the oven. Simplez.

The combination oven is not so simple. The mains cable is wired into the back of the oven. Its not so long. Problem is that the instruction says it must wired in to a plug rated 15A or more. Try as I may I cant find anything suitable in either toolstation or screwfix.

What do the pro's use and where can I get one?

Regards

 

[jimmymac]

Are you sure it says 'plug'?

 

[uksparks]

Hi,

can you tell me the make and model of the oven so. Can better assist you. It probably needs a bit of 4mm H07 cable at a guess.

 

[jimmymac]

Also, you'll probably find that's this thread gets moved to DIY section so I wont be able to continue the conversation as i'm not permitted to post in that area (can't be trusted, lol) but someone will help you out

 

[uksparks]

Yes it should be moved there, I can still point you in the right direction hopefully. Obviously theres a bit more to it than jus connecting it, but let's start with the make Nd model so we can look at what we are dealing with.

 

[shanky887614]

what kind of plug is fitted to it? does it look like a normal 3 pin plug?

 

[uksparks]

Peter, the majority of ovens don't come with a cable these days as they are meant to be professionally installed, I would imagine its nothing untoward and just needs a bit of cable that's not particularly readily available in DIY style shops and needs connecting into a proper outlet that's all.

 

[uksparks]

what kind of plug is fitted to it? does it look like a normal 3 pin plug?

I don't think this one has a plug by the sounds of it.

 

[shanky887614]

I don't think this one has a plug by the sounds of it.

in his post he mentions two, 1 with a plug and 1 without.

I fitted supply for one today that was just on a 13amp plug

 

[uksparks]

I have fitted 13A plugs to cookers before as that's all it needs, but to be honest I prefere to put it on a proper connection.

 

[shanky887614]

I have fitted 13A plugs to cookers before as that's all it needs, but to be honest I prefere to put it on a proper connection.

Thats what I did today on fcu.

Would rather use a fcu than plugtop

 

[uksparks]

Shanks I see your are only at donning ton, not a million miles from me at J21 of the M1, let me know if you ever need a hand round this way.

 

[davesparks]

If the instructions say put it on a 15A plug then buy a 15A plug and a 15A socket, simples no?

 

[uksparks]

If the instructions say put it on a 15A plug then buy a 15A plug and a 15A socket, simples no?

For the benefit of the person asking the question, please can you provide an example of where to get one from being a DIYer, it's not going to be asking you to buy something that's hard to get just to connect your cooker.

 

[Corbs]

For the benefit of the person asking the question, please can you provide an example of where to get one from being a DIYer, it's not going to be asking you to buy something that's hard to get just to connect your cooker.

google is your friend

Let me google that for you

15 Amp Round Pin Socket - White

 

[Engineer54]

Seeing as the OP has posted a question then as usual just disappears, i wouldn't bother giving any further help to him until he comes back with some answers!!.

 

[davesparks]

For the benefit of the person asking the question, please can you provide an example of where to get one from being a DIYer, it's not going to be asking you to buy something that's hard to get just to connect your cooker.

Electrical wholesalers, they do tend to be a good place to go for electrical installation materials, or failing that a quick search of the internet throws up plenty of sources.
Or they could go and get a 16A socket, it does say that 15A is the minimum requirement after all and not the maximum.

 

[uksparks]

If it was me I would never be fitting a round pin socket, they are out of the dark ages!

 

[Peterkins]

Hi. Thanks for all the offers of help, much appreciated. Didnt get back earlier because I was fitting the cooker outlet for the oven. Done now.

Ok, back to the combination oven. Its a Siemens hb86p572b.

First the instructions says "the appliance is ready to be plugged-in". It lies, there is no plug, just bare wires.

Later the instructions says, for GB and Australia, "the appliance is designed for a permanent connection to a 3-wire cable". Indeed, there is one permanently installed into the back of the oven. Trouble is, its quite short, so to wire it into a cooker outlet, this weighty oven must be suspended in mid air while the connection is made. Not good from a heath and safety point of view. IMHO.

I lied about the plug rating thingy in the instructions. It doesnt mention a plug there. However, having unboxed the thing to check out size, etc, there is the usual obligatory note attached to the mains cable. The penultimate lines says

A plug must have a nominal current of at least 15A or more.

I'm confused. I'm also surprised Siemens can find the profit to put a plug on the back of a regular built-in oven but can't be bothered to put one on their combination oven, esp since UK and Australia standards obviously preclude a 13A plug. Shame on them!

Peter

 

[Peterkins]

google is your friend

Let me google that for you

15 Amp Round Pin Socket - White

Thanks for this. I thought round pin plugs were no longer allowed though. If you say its OK, thats the way to go. Shame, Screwfix only have 5A ones so it didn't occur to me to look for something else.