Disabled toilet alarms

[dokkan1080]

Can a disabled toilet alarm pull cord be linked with another pull cord in the same room?

So when either one is used it alerts the same way on the central board?

 

[telectrix]

yes. you just wire them in parallel. but if both have been pulled, both will need to be pulled off to return to standby.

 

[dokkan1080]

yes. you just wire them in parallel. but if both have been pulled, both will need to be pulled off to return to standby.

So it's just a case of linking the two?

 

[telectrix]

yep. if they are polarity conscious it's like to like as in + to + and - to -.

 

[dokkan1080]

yep. if they are polarity conscious it's like to like as in + to + and - to -.

Ah cool and if one is pulled it would set the downstairs panel off...

They are wired in bell wire.

I was told a whole new run from the alarm panel would be needed for it to work?

 

[davesparks]

yes. you just wire them in parallel. but if both have been pulled, both will need to be pulled off to return to standby.

Reset is by a seperate control, it shouldn't be by pulling the same pullcord.
[automerge]1596398287[/automerge]

Ah cool and if one is pulled it would set the downstairs panel off...

They are wired in bell wire.

I was told a whole new run from the alarm panel would be needed for it to work?

Who told you this? Which exact make and model of system are you using? They are all slightly different.

 

[dokkan1080]

Reset is by a seperate control, it shouldn't be by pulling the same pullcord.
[automerge]1596398287[/automerge]


Who told you this? Which exact make and model of system are you using? They are all slightly different.

I thought the pull cord needed to be un pulled for lack of a better word, before you can rest it at the main switch board it has about 15 ways 10 of which have been used

I dont have the make and model to hand but I will find out.

The person wanting to conduct the works, but I just assumed you could add a pull cord

 

[davesparks]

I thought the pull cord needed to be un pulled for lack of a better word, before you can rest it at the main switch board it has about 15 ways 10 of which have been used

I dont have the make and model to hand but I will find out.

The person wanting to conduct the works, but I just assumed you could add a pull cord

No, a reset button must be provided in a location that it can be operated by a person in a wheelchair or sitting on the toilet.

The reset should not be by operating the pullcord for a second time otherwise it could be accidentally reset by a double pull or suchlike.

Reset from a remote location is not ideal because the alarm being reset before help arrives could lead to further distress or panic.

 

[dokkan1080]

No, a reset button must be provided in a location that it can be operated by a person in a wheelchair or sitting on the toilet.

The reset should not be by operating the pullcord for a second time otherwise it could be accidentally reset by a double pull or suchlike.

Reset from a remote location is not ideal because the alarm being reset before help arrives could lead to further distress or panic.

It's an existing disabled toilet, that already has an alarm pull cord

That when pulled sounds an alarm by the reception.

Has no buzzer or rest in the toilet.

The toilet has 3 cubicles the pull cord is outside the cubicle by the sink.

A new cubicle is being added at kne end of the room. So does that cubicle need a pull cord rest button that's local and a buzzer outside. And need to be linked to the main panel by the reception?

Sorry about the confusion about pull cords what I meant is the main panel cant be rest unless the pull cord has been rest

Sorry if the above is confusing

 

[davesparks]

It's an existing disabled toilet, that already has an alarm pull cord

That when pulled sounds an alarm by the reception.

Has no buzzer or rest in the toilet.

The toilet has 3 cubicles the pull cord is outside the cubicle by the sink.

A new cubicle is being added at kne end of the room. So does that cubicle need a pull cord rest button that's local and a buzzer outside. And need to be linked to the main panel by the reception?

Sorry about the confusion about pull cords what I meant is the main panel cant be rest unless the pull cord has been rest

Sorry if the above is confusing

Disabled toilets don't normally have cubicles, they are normally seperate rooms on their own.

I am far from an expert on the subject, but I doubt very much that the current installation is compliant.

The pull cord shouldn't need to be reset, it is normally just a momentary switch. The reset is normally, and should be a seperate unit.

Disabled toilets, disability discrimination, equality, accessibility are all hot topics and ultimately you are more likely to come under fire from charities, campaigners and users of these facilities who like to cause a fuss than any actually regulatory body

 

[multimick]

Don't think you can call them disabled toilets any more they are accessible toilets

 

[DPG]

Don't think you can call them disabled toilets any more they are accessible toilets

It's a crazy world where we won't be allowed to say anything before long.

 

[telectrix]

Don't think you can call them disabled toilets any more they are accessible toilets

actually, "disabled toilet" is a misnomer. the toilet is not disabled unless it's broken or vandalised. it's a "toilet for use by disabled persons".

 

[UNG]

It's an existing disabled toilet, that already has an alarm pull cord

That when pulled sounds an alarm by the reception.

Has no buzzer or rest in the toilet.

The toilet has 3 cubicles the pull cord is outside the cubicle by the sink.

A new cubicle is being added at kne end of the room. So does that cubicle need a pull cord rest button that's local and a buzzer outside. And need to be linked to the main panel by the reception?

Sorry about the confusion about pull cords what I meant is the main panel cant be rest unless the pull cord has been rest

Sorry if the above is confusing

Reading your posts it sounds like you have a multi zone / toilet alarm system if you have a central panel, do you have any details of the system installed as this may be a more specialised set up and operate differently to the single toilet systems that are generally available

 

[telectrix]

whether the switches are momentary or not, 2 switches in the same room in parallel will achieve the purpose. with momentary switches, either pulled will activate the alarm. reset in room or remote will reset. if the switches are latching, the only problem is that you don't know which one need pulling to "off" to enable reset, unless there is a LED on each switch.

 

[DPG]

whether the switches are momentary or not, 2 switches in the same room in parallel will achieve the purpose. with momentary switches, either pulled will activate the alarm. reset in room or remote will reset. if the switches are latching, the only problem is that you don't know which one need pulling to "off" to enable reset, unless there is a LED on each switch.

Yes, hopefully they aren't latching switches!

 

[mattg4321]

I’ve never seen an alarm of this type with a latching switch.

Often there are more than one momentary pull switch.

 

[snowhead]

I've seen / replaced latching pull switches on alarms on units installed in the late 80's and replaced complete systems.
The pull switch had an indicator on it to show it had been operated.

Reset was on the wall outside the cubicle with an indicator on the wall above the entrance.

 

[davesparks]

I've seen / replaced latching pull switches on alarms on units installed in the late 80's and replaced complete systems.
The pull switch had an indicator on it to show it had been operated.

Reset was on the wall outside the cubicle with an indicator on the wall above the entrance.

Yes, the rules were different in those days.