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Spent most of the day reconnecting swa cables at lighting bollards as none of the armour has been earthed. Pretty straight forward cables plenty of length, the outer casings come off the bollards and the sun is out. Three to go then this, needless to say the circuit now has three less lights on it.View attachment 51889

Same sort of problem...except this one was flattened and then run over umpteen times by drivers parking half on the grass. I was measuring for some sort of replacement until the client decided he didn't want a 20m trench digging for rewiring. Absolutely no spare length and solid through underlying concrete and in pvc tube. Isolated at previous bollard and left as.

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Customer with two brick pillars either side of drive entrance. Wants lights (which funnily enough don’t work) on top of each pillar replaced. There’s brick lights with junction boxes and T&E at the base of each pillar. See pic :rolleyes: I believe the main feed from the house is SWA so hoping with a bit of digging I can find the end but suspect the loop to the other pillar is just buried T&E so they may have two hopes of me sorting it without disturbing their nice block paved drive.4BA5E619-714D-4C2F-88D9-9116F740CEB8.jpeg
 

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Customer with two brick pillars either side of drive entrance. Wants lights (which funnily enough don’t work) on top of each pillar replaced. There’s brick lights with junction boxes and T&E at the base of each pillar. See pic :rolleyes: I believe the main feed from the house is SWA so hoping with a bit of digging I can find the end but suspect the loop to the other pillar is just buried T&E so they may have two hopes of me sorting it without disturbing their nice block paved drive.View attachment 51900
Mean while at the top of the pillar we have a silver birch well and truly rooted into the light :rolleyes:

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Every single floor installed with wagos without any form of enclosure. Just shoved into the ceiling. First time working in an commercial job site, alarmed at the practices. Not the fault of workmanship but the owner of the electrical company refusing to spend money on key things... even can't be bothered to buy brown sleaving for sw identification. Clearly some of the electricians failing to check connections if connections are tight and then powering sub mains board. This is how fires start.

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Unfortunately this is very typical penny pinching , I have done new builds where you would be handed box of Stuff to do a job.
No blue sleeve , no brown sleeve , no grommets , no nothing.
Just told don’t bother with any of that stuff and just chuck it in.
I have very often supplied my own grommets and sleeve just to feel better how I leave the job.
 

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That last photo is a looped neutral, not a switchwire without brown sleeving. Or were you showing us a loose connection?

The cpc's should have been connected to the metal backbox. Why waste money on a bit of choc block connector when the box has one already there.
 
Unfortunately this is very typical penny pinching , I have done new builds where you would be handed box of Stuff to do a job.
No blue sleeve , no brown sleeve , no grommets , no nothing.
Just told don’t bother with any of that stuff and just chuck it in.
I have very often supplied my own grommets and sleeve just to feel better how I leave the job.
These people are getting million pound contracts... awful practices. Need reporting tbh. I wouldn't want another glenfell incident on my conscience.
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That last photo is a looped neutral, not a switchwire without brown sleeving. Or were you showing us a loose connection?

The cpc's should have been connected to the metal backbox. Why waste money on a bit of choc block connector when the box has one already there.
Showing loose connection. Board was live and signed off
 
Corroded SWA. Rotted-out-Bottom.
Did make me think about redundancy of banjos with earthed tails -- If any armour is actually left !
 
Presumably as the earthed metal disappears the insulation readings to earth go up!
I was thinking it was probably very damp.
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With a name like picturevalve, I bet you're an ex TV repairer.
No, but I recall the jokes around the time, no picture it's probably the picture valve. Later used for transistorised tv's, also. I repair most things these days.
 
And my introduction to the forum starts with a Yorkshire Housing property. This was a consumer unit in a house whose tenant was a disabled individual. They requested a new shower room be fitted with a power shower by YH and the result was this loose neutral.

I was rather concerned it took YH one whole week to come and replace the board and never advised the tenant not to use the shower at a minimum. They were even sent these photos. Obviously I advised against using shower and associated circuits where possible, though it wasn't up to me to fix anything as I was there installing CCTV.

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and then there's the roofer who decided to just destroy the live light fittings. He suggested the owner got a sparky out to reinstall them! 🤣
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and finally the builder who built his own house and did all his own electrics...
 

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No the earth cable you see has been used as the neutral link from main switch with black tape . Take a closer look at the bus bar
 

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Kitchen fitters strike again. The T&E goes to another infused connection box under the unit where dishwasher is connected.
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No the earth cable you see has been used as the neutral link from main switch with black tape . Take a closer look at the bus bar
No cover over the bar and it looks a little long?
I thought we were looking for something strange. Busbar with no cover is hardly a rare occurrence.
 
No cover over the bar and it looks a little long?
I thought we were looking for something strange. Busbar with no cover is hardly a rare occurrence.
No Look at how the bus bar connects to the main switch a bit of 4mm cable !!!!!!!!!!
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A join in the bus bar at the first MCB?
Almost correct The bus bar is connected to the main switch by some 4mm cable
 

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No Look at how the bus bar connects to the main switch a bit of 4mm cable !!!!!!!!!!
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Almost correct The bus bar is connected to the main switch by some 4mm cable
Be nice if you could see that from the pictue without mega zoom.
 
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Wire-end clippings , about to fall into innards .. ?
( or just the photo )...
..ohh See what you mean --Feed me Seymore !
 

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Yes you did! me, I just put the cable tie round the clip too..but, suppose you had to open it...
snip just before the clip part, pull the tail out, fix what you have to fix, add connections whatever, and re-use the tie just putting it through the holes but not wrapping it round.
 

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Just a question
Who would treat this situation as inaccessible?
Presumably, any problem with the lighting point would result in removal....resulting in access.
 

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Just a question
Who would treat this situation as inaccessible?
Presumably, any problem with the lighting point would result in removal....resulting in access.
Yes... because to access it you need to know it's there. In this particular example you can argue well there is likely to be a connection point for the downlight so you have an idea something might be there, but in general if I can't see it when the jobs finished I consider it to be inaccessible.
 

ipf

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Yes... because to access it you need to know it's there. In this particular example you can argue well there is likely to be a connection point for the downlight so you have an idea something might be there, but in general if I can't see it when the jobs finished I consider it to be inaccessible.
Well. if it's there it's there, if it's not it's not......but it's the first place you'd look for it. I'll use my years in the job as experience in making a decision.
I feel some trivialities in the job are just getting worse.
 
This is one massive downside to this MF box phenomenon

In this instance imo it’s perfectly acceptable to use a DL hole to shove a nicely made joint box

But I have seen sparks bury these MF joints under concrete screed floors as they can be non accessible by definition
 

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This is one massive downside to this MF box phenomenon

In this instance imo it’s perfectly acceptable to use a DL hole to shove a nicely made joint box

But I have seen sparks bury these MF joints under concrete screed floors as they can be non accessible by definition
There are extremes.....and stupidity. Some, with the basic crap they're being taught, or just presuming maybe, can't handle either.
 

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accessible?
MF?
we are getting lost in the terminology,i think.
If a junction is truly inaccessible, it has to be MF, but if it is truly MF it should not be a concern...However, i am sure all of you proper electricians on here have seen examples of supposed MF junctions that are far from that.
The result is confusion...
Proper electricians will choose a method that will stand the test of time...bodgers will use choc-block and leccy tape buried in whatever is to hand.
I am not an electrician, as I have said many times, but in my amateur view any joint that CAN be accessed should be made in such a way that it it is able to be tested and proved ok...in a perfect world, any joint that CANNOT ever be accessed must be made in such a way that it cannot ever be compromised...if you find yourself making many such joints, I submit you should find appropriate methods.
There is a distinction between accessible, and accessible with some effort involved.
Both are "accessible", in my opinion. I bet most of you guys consider what you have to do, choose a method that allows access of some kind whenever that is possible, and if you forsee a situation where the circuit will never be able of access in the future, then you will avoid joints. Yes, a counsel of perfection...but never a bodge.
I know nothing of large industrial installations, but I believe that in domestic stuff it is almost always possible to keep all joints accessible, though the MF option is preferable even for the less accessible ones.
Tin hat on...

BTW, on another point, what is an accesssible toilet? Having a toilet that is inaccessible is a useless toilet!
Just another dilution of proper English...
Another tin hat on!
 

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Doing an EICR today, No R1+R2 or Zs at the shower. Thought id pull the cord down to have a look. The switch just fell down, as you can see the earth and one of the live terminations has never been screwed and the other connections were not worth it.

To top it off this shower had no earth continuity to it, no 30mA RCD protection, and there was a DIY TNS reading of 532Ohms.

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Here is a little peach I found today whilst attending a faulty immersion heater, work was done only 2 years ago by a big national company fitting new heaters! Nothing seemed to be fixed back properly and the lid fell off the isolator as I took the clothes out that were hiding it! :(
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Yes the other cable has been pulled back up in the trunking, why the other 2 couldn't have done the same as they all came down in it!
It was one of those jobs you wish you could unsee!!
 
Been asked to sort this lot out at a well known uni. Data engineer got a shock pulling new cables in. All singles just in trunking. No lid.

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The main tails used to come into the lower right hand old wylex, they have been pulled out and put in Henleys then to the new main switch, then out to more henley blocks and then to their respective final con units!:eek:
 

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Whats wrong with that? Once we’ve left the EU all this health and safety rubbish will be out the window and we can go back to all that make do and mend stuff. The British empire was built on innovative solutions like that. What do you think a Royal Engineer would do if he didn’t have a 13amp plug for the laser guided missile he was installing ... and sod part P? ;)
 

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I installed the mains supply and isolator for a future fire alarm system. We recently went back to the location to see the fire alarm system had been fitted. Thank god the system was wireless. Don't know why I bothered measuring the fixings, neatly dressing the cable and making sure all the slots in the brass screws were at the same angle.
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Geez... It’s really not hard is it? Some people give me the shits. Can’t take the time to adequately measure a few Double P clips.
 
3ph service head in clients "storage cupboard" a few months ago... Yup 415 between those exposed conductors.

Its UKPN here so hopefully by the year 2055 they'll send someone out with a tube of superglue to "fix" it, in the meantime I've asked him to maybe not clout the cupboard contents of his metal handled mop, clothes airer etc etc etc into it

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Here is a blast from the past!
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A bit of light reading?
Found today and disconnected it! Book case will have a new 4mm back put in to hide the hole.
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