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Creative wiring, the switch was on the landing, the trailing socket in the roofspace above feeding a CO alarm.
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In a lovely old pump room [may share photos in another post if anyones interested as it's generally in excellent condition]. Lighting still wired in VIR singles. More recently someone has spliced in with harmonised singles to supply a row of T5 flourescents in an adjacent building...see the crushed and sweaty looking VIR neutrals below.

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Saw a load of old conduit wiring and thought oh no rubber. It turned out to be fabric covered plastic insulation. The telephone cables hacked into the box and the earth tapped off of the lid screw were less positive. Insulation and earth loop readings were excellent throughout the installation.
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Do you reckon someone's done that as a DIY meter move? Can see the gas board doing that.
Nope.
When I left today at about 3 o'clock, I told the householder to call British Gas and report it. It was changed a couple of years ago.
Got a call at 5.00.....they were on site changing it. What a response!
Only problem now is a L-E short on the shower circuit. That lot's low down in a kitchen corner unit :rolleyes:
Another bit of a job helping someone out.
 
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Wasting moderators time - Using terrible wording
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Just a observation whilst onsite.
Amusement, I'm shocked, what on earth is going on here, whoever did that want's His / Her tools confiscated and sent back to school for further instruction , awful really awful work. love to see the installation pr EICR cert covering that abomination, going to the bathroom for some anti nausea medication.
 
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Amusement, I'm shocked, what on earth is going on here, whoever did that want's His / Her tools confiscated and sent back to school for further instruction , awful really awful work. love to see the installation pr EICR cert covering that abomination, going to the bathroom for some anti nausea medication.
Pete, your post has been edited as we are stamping out the pointing of fingers towards people that take the short course route into the industry.
 

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found today. new water meter installed. incomimg water is plastic. then copper from stop cock to meter. then plastic from meter to copper in house. united utilities installed bond from copper before meter to plastic after. fair to the guy who told customer it was pointless, but his boss says that's whathe has to do. .the mind boggles
 

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Customer:
“So, mr telectrix.... you were in the cupboard last taking a photo of the water meter. What happened to my 4 bottles of wine?”

Tel:
“What wine?....what cupboard?..... wasn’t me, m’lud”
 

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I should go careful there tel.

that looks like a witches broom in the corner, don't want to upset her and get turned into a frog!
 

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Shocking really the levels of incompetence, he hasn't fitted the do not remove labels to the clamps.
So does that mean a C3 in an EICR for no "Provision of earthing / bonding labels at all appropriate locations (514.13.1)"?
 

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The switchfuse is really small, a horrible design. Pathetic compared to the MEM switchfuses it was sat beside. Thankfully I just had to disconnect the outgoing cable as the machine was being removed for sale as the site is no longer in business. 6A fuses would have been fine for the machine that was located about 40M away.
 

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kevin kitchen and to$$er tiler strike again. called out to several sockets not working.kitchen sockets hanging off wall, tiling cut that badly they'd either sink in or not go in at all. found a N out of terminal , so was about to reconnect when customer tells me about kevin drilling and screwing through a cable above the same socket. he left the screw in with sellotape over the head, told customer, "that's safe now.".

so... cupboard off wall.digs out to damaged section, lickily in capping and some slack above ceiling, so a in-line joint of the 3 conductors could be made and heatshrinked.joint is behind cupboard, so no redec needed. then onto the 2 sockets, cooker switch and FCU.
first one , tile is 1" intrudung into socket so had to be stitch drilled and the excess removed. next one had nothing to sit on, so some crafty spacing with some broken tile pieces bonded in with yooza boxes temoprarily fitted to hold adhesive. same with cooker switch and FCU. then oven not working. this was a previous DIY job... cooker outlet swapped for a double socket. hob plugged in one side, cheap and nasty extension lead for oven ( which had been relocated ). replaced extension lead with some quality 1.5mm cable and socket. problem was cooker switch not making a decent connection due to dust from tiling. flicked off and on a few times and seems OK now, but advised customer might need replacing. back tomoorow when adhesive has cure to finalise fixing. time spent on site 5 hours.
 

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kevin kitchen and to$$er tiler strike again. called out to several sockets not working.kitchen sockets hanging off wall, tiling cut that badly they'd either sink in or not go in at all. found a N out of terminal , so was about to reconnect when customer tells me about kevin drilling and screwing through a cable above the same socket. he left the screw in with sellotape over the head, told customer, "that's safe now.".

so... cupboard off wall.digs out to damaged section, lickily in capping and some slack above ceiling, so a in-line joint of the 3 conductors could be made and heatshrinked.joint is behind cupboard, so no redec needed. then onto the 2 sockets, cooker switch and FCU.
first one , tile is 1" intrudung into socket so had to be stitch drilled and the excess removed. next one had nothing to sit on, so some crafty spacing with some broken tile pieces bonded in with yooza boxes temoprarily fitted to hold adhesive. same with cooker switch and FCU. then oven not working. this was a previous DIY job... cooker outlet swapped for a double socket. hob plugged in one side, cheap and nasty extension lead for oven ( which had been relocated ). replaced extension lead with some quality 1.5mm cable and socket. problem was cooker switch not making a decent connection due to dust from tiling. flicked off and on a few times and seems OK now, but advised customer might need replacing. back tomoorow when adhesive has cure to finalise fixing. time spent on site 5 hours.
That's disgraceful DIY bodge. I hope the customer hasn't paid the tiler. Are they actually happy to accept such crap?
 

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i think the ladycustomer is a bit naive. most customers would refuse to pay for such an abortion. the photos don't really show how bad it is. i could only fill in the spaces with grout. still don't look good, but at least it's safe.
 

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For outside catering? Maybe there had been a shelter above it at one time.

Last pub I checked had a metal socket outside, but it was screwed to a fence post with a metal biscuit tin around it as “protection from the elements”
Biscuit tin wasn’t even earthed!
 
Promised I'd replace the neighbours PIR light outside their garage. One look at the quality of the installation in there (Pic 1) told me what he soon confimed "yeah, a young lad I used to know from the pub did it for me a few years ago. I think he was training". Hmm. Anyway it was on a B32, extended from an existing house RFC- continuity of which was surprisingly still there. However, it goes to show the importance of visual. Pic 2 is a floating JB that I just had to open - straight off the 2.5mm RFC, unfused twin live 1.0mm (amazing that whoever did this had twin brown!) as a switch drop, then returned to a 5ft florry with the neutral via ths JB. This had nothing to do with the outside light - I found that in Pic 3 - more of that twin brown (with some blue masking tape to loosely inicate the neutral) unfused off the back of the socket below.

Anyway, 5 minute job takes me a good few hours. JB removed and replaced with 5a unswitched FCU, supplying rewired internal and external lighting. Oh and I even levelled up the sockets - neighbourly relations and all.



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Couldn’t visually confirm main earth and water bond..someone’s concreted em in....4A33392D-E897-4002-9E27-C6C267A83DA9.jpegCDA65E8A-D919-4BEA-9A6B-1925D78C0643.jpeg
Assuming that’s the water bond that was tucked behind the board?......
 

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I think the DNO needs to be involved,

main fuse missing.

also looks like something has been on fire?

wonder what horror lies beneath that newish looking concrete.
 

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Better pic for ya @James.....sneaky things them fuses....4F679800-7C32-446C-9F07-3ED773DE9B5D.jpeg
Low Ze though....I particularly like the front on the Henley block missing..
 

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it's great when you need to pull the main fuse and discover that the seals are missing anyway. ;)

also, i take it back, not a fire. just a lot of dirt!!

just read the sub note, didn't realise that was a Henley, thought originally it was MET.

Its been a Long day!
 
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it's great when you need to pull the main fuse and discover that the seals are missing anyway. ;)

also, i take it back, not a fire. just a lot of dirt!!
I’ll admit the fairies visit me a lot but on this occasion they had been and long gone 😂
 

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No green/yellow sleeve to hand. Never mind I will use brown instead!
Ha ha yep that’ll be perfectly clear for the next poor sod😂....is me or the picture or have they put the lines and neutrals in together?
 

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Ha ha yep that’ll be perfectly clear for the next poor sod😂....is me or the picture or have they put the lines and neutrals in together?
No, they're those cheap and nasty sockets with the N terminal at the bottom and L ath the top, dead handy for testing.
 

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Brown is the colour of earth, when you’re talking about soil. You can see how they got confused with it.

I’m surprised they bothered to use any trunking.

By the look of the slatted wall, would this be in perhaps a shop of some kind?
 

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Brown is the colour of earth, when you’re talking about soil. You can see how they got confused with it.

I’m surprised they bothered to use any trunking.

By the look of the slatted wall, would this be in perhaps a shop of some kind?
Little shop of horrors.

Where I found the Fig 8 ring.

They wanted new sockets everywhere.

Took one look at the board and above the ceiling and said new circuits in a new board, I aint touching that.

Literally every place I looked was wrong, everywhere.

New RCBO board, 5 new circuits, 22 DSOs, cert and walk away advising them the rest needs attention.
 

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Wouldn’t have thought so....plastic feet on a wooden floor (upstairs) with plastic tap tails......I reckon wet pants took and old steel bath out and panicked
Maybe thought he got a belt off the bath only realising later he had smacked his funny bone on the waste pipe.
 
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Doing periodic on farmers retail complex, started having a good look around to familiarise myself with the complex of small barn retailers, came across this (photo s) went and spoke to owner, he said been through separation and that supply is his ex wife s, IMG_0014.JPGIMG_0014.JPGIMG_0026.JPGIMG_0029.JPGIMG_0032.JPGIMG_0033.JPG
 
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So I got a call from an existing client telling me he needed my help. He informed me WPD were there replacing the main fuse because it had blown and then this happened.

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Nice reminder of the power of what provides us with a job.

From what I can gather the guys from WPD were called out to a loss of power and found the fuse had blown. When they replaced it, it all kicked off. The board is a Lewden board with what I believe is a 100A MK main switch feeding a 32A MCB that supplied an armoured cable to the garage. They didn't open the small board and I have no idea whether they did any kind of testing but they were kind enough to install the isolator and hand me the fuse when I arrived (along with a stick on seal for it). There was water dripping into the cabinet from the hole where the cables exited, which I'm hoping is just from a dodgy seal along the top edge, but they were speculating that the water had damaged the small board. The cores of the SWA it supplied were covered in soot and I wasn't able to establish whether there was any heat damage to them but around where they entered the bedding they don't look right but there was no visible copper. IR tests on that cable were quite low, not enough to be the cause of that devastation but low enough for me to decline immediate reconnection without further investigation... that and the armour wasn't earthed at the supply.

So, when I get back there to sort out a replacement for that little board, my first stop is going to be the garage board and some extensive tests on the cable. Will let you guys know what I find :)
 

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I think that 32A breaker might have been the root cause.

breaker either had a loose connection or an internal fault possibly due to water?
melted the casing until the internal parts were able to reach the back plate of the board.

arcing for a while until it took out the main fuse.

then it all set hard with the short now welded to the back plate just waiting to be reconnected.

lots of heat generated when new fuse installed and therefore the subsequent fire.

you can clearly see where it has melted through the metal din rail and back of enclosure.
 

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I've seen that before on a voltage regulator, water ingress blew the incoming fuses as the arc tracked between L2 & L3, went with a bit of a pop...
 

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my first stop is going to be the garage board and some extensive tests on the cable. Will let you guys know what I find :)
Strip the burnt end back and inspect it first, it's most likely just covered in soot rather than damaged.
As James has said the location of the fault is obvious from the chunk missing out if the breaker and the hole in the steel enclosure.
 

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Nice tidy installation for a change, oh wait....

Eddies back for Xmas.

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Slight damp problem

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Covers are so overrated

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Terminate the armour, never heard of the like in all my days...

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Happy Friday kids!!!
 

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