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Looking at that pic, SJD, imagine the comments on here when the chap asks how to wire his new ceiling lamp...
"Did you take a pic of the existing connections?"
"no, mate, no point...they're all white!"
 
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Does the property actually need 4mm bonding? Doesn’t look like there’s any pipe work to be bonded with all those empty holes.
 

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Does the property actually need 4mm bonding? Doesn’t look like there’s any pipe work to be bonded with all those empty holes.
No mate, it’s the same cable that was bonding the fibre glass bath I posted a while back, I forget to put it up at the time...apparently all that damage (most of the joists look like that) was done a few years back when a wet pants spent 3 months putting in a central heating system.....
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Incidentally, do plumbers abide by the same regs as us, for holes and slots in joists? Serious questioned, like how would a 28mm pipe or waste pipe, be able to be installed at right angles to joists.
 

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Incidentally, do plumbers abide by the same regs as us, for holes and slots in joists? Serious questioned, like how would a 28mm pipe or waste pipe, be able to be installed at right angles to joists.
a wet-pants wouldn't know a right angle if it bit him in the arse.
 

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Incidentally, do plumbers abide by the same regs as us, for holes and slots in joists? Serious questioned, like how would a 28mm pipe or waste pipe, be able to be installed at right angles to joists.
Yes mate, they are building regs, same for all I believe,
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Yes mate, they are building regs, same for all I believe,
Although I’ve never met a wet pants that believes they apply to them 😂
 
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Yes mate, they are building regs, same for all I believe,
Not got my building regs guide book with me, but thought the matter was based on guidance from some British Standard, as opposed directly mentioned in a Building Regulation?

Not withstanding the reg in BS 7671.
 

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not bubbling mate...seething. was a plumber stole my socket tester. a plumber stole my set of wera screwdrivers. was a plumber that burnt 10 of my alarm cables with his blowtorch. was a plumber that that threaded his plastic pipes through my cable holes. nah, i don't dislike plumbers, i hate them with a passion ( appart from Barry the Bath that fixes wet things that i come across from time to time. fair price and reliable.if youse on forum Barry, a bottle of Laphroiag would be welcome).).
 

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My favourite plumber was a fella called.....Pete the leak!......how he ever got any work was beyond me 😂
 

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How is it that wet pants can charge so much and install stuff as they please?! Never worked that one out. We‘re just finishing up an expensive, high finish job and the plumbers fudged up on nearly all the radiators - pipes in the wrong place. Wet pants blamed the apprentice but he stood over him whilst the apprentice did the install. 😂
 

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How is it that wet pants can charge so much and install stuff as they please?! Never worked that one out. We‘re just finishing up an expensive, high finish job and the plumbers fudged up on nearly all the radiators - pipes in the wrong place. Wet pants blamed the apprentice but he stood over him whilst the apprentice did the install. 😂
if your going to be cr4ap at your job, ensure you have an apprentice to blame for your failures.
 

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If my memory is working correctly there are 38 cables in this lighting junction box. No the lid doesn't fit properly.
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A control panel with all emergency stop reset, fault reset, and start buttons held in with ring pulls. Thankfully this machine is no longer in service and the factory is closed. Quite shocking really when you think about it.
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That lighting junction box makes me feel slightly queasy...
Where would you start?

Mind you, I found 2 like that in the attic of my last house and everything worked...
 

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That lighting junction box makes me feel slightly queasy...
Where would you start?

Mind you, I found 2 like that in the attic of my last house and everything worked...
I started by taking the photo, then finished by putting the ceiling tile back in the grid.
 

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not bubbling mate...seething. was a plumber stole my socket tester. a plumber stole my set of wera screwdrivers. was a plumber that burnt 10 of my alarm cables with his blowtorch. was a plumber that that threaded his plastic pipes through my cable holes. nah, i don't dislike plumbers, i hate them with a passion ( appart from Barry the Bath that fixes wet things that i come across from time to time. fair price and reliable.if youse on forum Barry, a bottle of Laphroiag would be welcome).).
Yep, thought there might be some underlying reasons :cool::p
 

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I don't like plumbers either...one stole my best Bahco wrench, and tried to steal my wife too...
I really miss that wrench...
 

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Last October the whole house has been refitted with class 1 light fittings, including wall lights by a "experienced commercial electrician" who never even mentioned or advised the client there was no cpc to any of the fittings he only listed additional sockets on his minor works certificate.
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same house by another classy electrician previous to "experienced commercial electrician"
 

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took me a moment to spot the problem of accessible terminals to be fair.
Just think of them as forward facing ventilation holes. Another thought, it also allows you to probe them without removing the cover, convenient.
 

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Just think of them as forward facing ventilation holes. Another thought, it also allows you to probe them without removing the cover, convenient.
most of my work is in industrial control, I see so many contactors, it took a moment to realise that they were accessible to "normal people"
 

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The photos below were taken last week inside the attic of a property in Glasgow. These atrocities are typical of what I expect to find, and usually do find, whenever I am called-out to jobs where Barry the bathroom fitter or his fellow muppet Kevin the kitchen fitter have been let loose beforehand. Barely a week goes past where I don't come across such poor workmanship. :angry:

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How did you get into my attic, JK?
I'm sorry...I should have colour-matched the insulating tape to the conductors...
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Looks like they kept the CPC though...
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Ap[art from the lack of stand-off brackets, the poor termination of CPC, and the lack of any strain relief or other clipping...
not bad really!
Did you remove the insulation blanket or was it cut away by the installer?
 
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Apart from the lack of stand-off brackets, the poor termination of CPC, and the lack of any strain relief or other clipping...
not bad really!
They never bothered fitting an RCD either.
Did you remove the insulation blanket or was it cut away by the installer
This is a tenement building. I don't think there was ever any insulation here to begin with!
 

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Sorry, I thought I saw remnants of loft insulation in a couple of the pics!
Still, access looks quite good...
carry on!
 

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Sorry, I thought I saw remnants of loft insulation in a couple of the pics!
Still, access looks quite good...
carry on!
You're quite correct ..... you did indeed see bits of loft insulation. I didn't notice any loose sections adjacent to the downlights which is why I think there wasn't much insulation up there to begin with!
 

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When our place was built, they forgot to install the spec’ frost & pipe stat.
Young sparks turned up to install it. He was on the phone a lot, apprentice think he was struggling how to connect it. I was gonna help, but the mrs told me to keep my nose out. He was pleased as punch, when he left. Heres the end result (cant rotate the pic on my iPad).

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Lol at least the flex looks long, perhaps it will reach the correct pipe!
I think the correct pipe comes in the bottom of the boiler... so I think the flex will be long enough. (could be wrong, but thinking the 2 pipes in view are the flow and return)

Is there enough silicon where the wall meets the ceiling?
 

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I think the correct pipe comes in the bottom of the boiler... so I think the flex will be long enough. (could be wrong, but thinking the 2 pipes in view are the flow and return)

Is there enough silicon where the wall meets the ceiling?
The pipe stat should be on tbe return, which is at the top of the boiler.
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Well spotted that man. But I think others have. Was going to complain to the developers, but didn't wanna burst that apprentice bubble.
You should make the complaint, otherwise they may be installing them the same for any number of houses.
If the apprentice doesn't learn what they have done wrong then they will continue to do it wrong again and again, and probably teach the next person how to do it wrong.
 

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The pipe stat should be on tbe return, which is at the top of the boiler.
See, I read "frost stat" and thought it should be on the incoming cold feed. The thermostat on the wall will be the frost stat, and the other will be the pipe stat.... clue is in the name, and youre right, should be on the return at the top
 

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Exel switchfuse, apparently lights had been flickering and 3ph machines had been running with reduced power intermittently for months. We get called out as some of the electrics are not working at all and sparks are coming out of the bottom of this switch... Despite the months of warnings that something needed attention it is now an emergency and needs to be repaired immediately! :rolleyes:
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It doesn't look like much but the right hand yellow contact fork has almost completely eroded away from the arcing. The blue one wasn't far behind.
 
This one can be opened whilst switched on and is isolated from earth by the floating terminal.20190423_080036.jpg
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Lol at least the flex looks long, perhaps it will reach the correct pipe!
Nope, only long enough to reach the flow. Better than on the gas. Boiler being moved in due course, and I can’t be arsed to replace the flex. Only been troublesome in this recent cold weather.
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You should make the complaint, otherwise they may be installing them the same for any number of houses.
If the apprentice doesn't learn what they have done wrong then they will continue to do it wrong again and again, and probably teach the next person how to do it wrong.
You right of course, I had other problems with the wiring up of the CH system, which I’ve posted about.

Guess one day, he will realise his mistake; probably more embarrassed then, when he won’t have opportunity to rectify it; more learnt that way perhaps.
 
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Thoughts on this I came across today.... 🙈🥴
Those pyros aren't brilliant.....but a darn site better than the fp200's:cool:
...and get that earth clamp at the top left. What's that doing?
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Exel switchfuse, apparently lights had been flickering and 3ph machines had been running with reduced power intermittently for months. We get called out as some of the electrics are not working at all and sparks are coming out of the bottom of this switch... Despite the months of warnings that something needed attention it is now an emergency and needs to be repaired immediately! :rolleyes:
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It doesn't look like much but the right hand yellow contact fork has almost completely eroded away from the arcing. The blue one wasn't far behind.
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I forget what was hanging from this nail, but one thing I am sure of is that there was no need for it to be nailed through the trunking to the light switch.
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Another nice junction in the loft above a newly installed Ensuite in an extension, wiring taken care of by the Builder's "electrician".

I like the strain relief, so when someone trips over the cables on the loft floor, the Wagos will keep the cables in place.

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Another nice junction in the loft above a newly installed Ensuite in an extension, wiring taken care of by the Builder's "electrician".

I like the strain relief, so when someone trips over the cables on the loft floor, the Wagos will keep the cables in place.

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Cables are secured, just, not a problem then, no bare copper showing, on a combustible surface though, still seen worse.
 
Found this at work when asked to reinstate an extract unit.
Boss thought it may be disconnected in the DB.
Traced swa and found still conneto the trunking.
Looked on the DB and found the machine name was there but with another machine on the same circuit.
Removed the cover found this.
Machine wanted is the smaller cable.
Removed the larger cable after asking OPs about the other machine and was told it was removed a while ago.
Got the extract working and then set about tracing the other swa.
Traced to a 32A three phase socket.
The type with its own breaker.
This was cable tied to the tray work high up.
Set about removing it and found the DB end had no earth.
Thought not good but at least it was connected to the trunking properly but with no earth from the banjo to DB.
Then came the worst of it.
Remoethe top off the plastic three phase socket and found no earth at all.
The machine ran for years like this with no earth protection.
Asked the mechanical engineer and he said they had had a few dodgy sparkies in the past.
 

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It's Sangamo timer under some home made cover. I've no idea what it controls. When I go back to disconnect it I'll find out.
 

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i thought it was Ford's answer to :
 
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Light fittings date stamped 1996. Assuming due to the yellow flex a builder of some description has moved the lamp, sacrificing some of their 110v extension leads to relocate the light. Odd when both be light and the klik rose are quite clearly rewire able.
 
Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

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I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. :eek:mg_smile:

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Looks like some pubs..
 

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Discovered yesterday in the ceiling void of a large ground-floor cupboard that DIY Dave has converted to a toilet. Note the unvented fan in the top right corner. :rolleyes:

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What’s the torch battery powering?

if the fan has been filling that void with toilet smells for so many years.... I don’t envy your position right now
 

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