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Corroded SWA. Rotted-out-Bottom.
Did make me think about redundancy of banjos with earthed tails -- If any armour is actually left !
 
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Presumably as the earthed metal disappears the insulation readings to earth go up!
I was thinking it was probably very damp.
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With a name like picturevalve, I bet you're an ex TV repairer.
No, but I recall the jokes around the time, no picture it's probably the picture valve. Later used for transistorised tv's, also. I repair most things these days.
 
And my introduction to the forum starts with a Yorkshire Housing property. This was a consumer unit in a house whose tenant was a disabled individual. They requested a new shower room be fitted with a power shower by YH and the result was this loose neutral.

I was rather concerned it took YH one whole week to come and replace the board and never advised the tenant not to use the shower at a minimum. They were even sent these photos. Obviously I advised against using shower and associated circuits where possible, though it wasn't up to me to fix anything as I was there installing CCTV.

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and then there's the roofer who decided to just destroy the live light fittings. He suggested the owner got a sparky out to reinstall them! 🤣
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and finally the builder who built his own house and did all his own electrics...
 

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No the earth cable you see has been used as the neutral link from main switch with black tape . Take a closer look at the bus bar
 

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Kitchen fitters strike again. The T&E goes to another infused connection box under the unit where dishwasher is connected.
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No the earth cable you see has been used as the neutral link from main switch with black tape . Take a closer look at the bus bar
No cover over the bar and it looks a little long?
I thought we were looking for something strange. Busbar with no cover is hardly a rare occurrence.
 
No cover over the bar and it looks a little long?
I thought we were looking for something strange. Busbar with no cover is hardly a rare occurrence.
No Look at how the bus bar connects to the main switch a bit of 4mm cable !!!!!!!!!!
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A join in the bus bar at the first MCB?
Almost correct The bus bar is connected to the main switch by some 4mm cable
 

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No Look at how the bus bar connects to the main switch a bit of 4mm cable !!!!!!!!!!
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Almost correct The bus bar is connected to the main switch by some 4mm cable
Be nice if you could see that from the pictue without mega zoom.
 

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Wire-end clippings , about to fall into innards .. ?
( or just the photo )...
..ohh See what you mean --Feed me Seymore !
 
Yes you did! me, I just put the cable tie round the clip too..but, suppose you had to open it...
snip just before the clip part, pull the tail out, fix what you have to fix, add connections whatever, and re-use the tie just putting it through the holes but not wrapping it round.
 

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Just a question
Who would treat this situation as inaccessible?
Presumably, any problem with the lighting point would result in removal....resulting in access.
 

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Just a question
Who would treat this situation as inaccessible?
Presumably, any problem with the lighting point would result in removal....resulting in access.
Yes... because to access it you need to know it's there. In this particular example you can argue well there is likely to be a connection point for the downlight so you have an idea something might be there, but in general if I can't see it when the jobs finished I consider it to be inaccessible.
 

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Yes... because to access it you need to know it's there. In this particular example you can argue well there is likely to be a connection point for the downlight so you have an idea something might be there, but in general if I can't see it when the jobs finished I consider it to be inaccessible.
Well. if it's there it's there, if it's not it's not......but it's the first place you'd look for it. I'll use my years in the job as experience in making a decision.
I feel some trivialities in the job are just getting worse.
 
This is one massive downside to this MF box phenomenon

In this instance imo it’s perfectly acceptable to use a DL hole to shove a nicely made joint box

But I have seen sparks bury these MF joints under concrete screed floors as they can be non accessible by definition
 

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This is one massive downside to this MF box phenomenon

In this instance imo it’s perfectly acceptable to use a DL hole to shove a nicely made joint box

But I have seen sparks bury these MF joints under concrete screed floors as they can be non accessible by definition
There are extremes.....and stupidity. Some, with the basic crap they're being taught, or just presuming maybe, can't handle either.
 
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we are getting lost in the terminology,i think.
If a junction is truly inaccessible, it has to be MF, but if it is truly MF it should not be a concern...However, i am sure all of you proper electricians on here have seen examples of supposed MF junctions that are far from that.
The result is confusion...
Proper electricians will choose a method that will stand the test of time...bodgers will use choc-block and leccy tape buried in whatever is to hand.
I am not an electrician, as I have said many times, but in my amateur view any joint that CAN be accessed should be made in such a way that it it is able to be tested and proved ok...in a perfect world, any joint that CANNOT ever be accessed must be made in such a way that it cannot ever be compromised...if you find yourself making many such joints, I submit you should find appropriate methods.
There is a distinction between accessible, and accessible with some effort involved.
Both are "accessible", in my opinion. I bet most of you guys consider what you have to do, choose a method that allows access of some kind whenever that is possible, and if you forsee a situation where the circuit will never be able of access in the future, then you will avoid joints. Yes, a counsel of perfection...but never a bodge.
I know nothing of large industrial installations, but I believe that in domestic stuff it is almost always possible to keep all joints accessible, though the MF option is preferable even for the less accessible ones.
Tin hat on...

BTW, on another point, what is an accesssible toilet? Having a toilet that is inaccessible is a useless toilet!
Just another dilution of proper English...
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Doing an EICR today, No R1+R2 or Zs at the shower. Thought id pull the cord down to have a look. The switch just fell down, as you can see the earth and one of the live terminations has never been screwed and the other connections were not worth it.

To top it off this shower had no earth continuity to it, no 30mA RCD protection, and there was a DIY TNS reading of 532Ohms.

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