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Paul228

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i see.
i think it would stand up very well..but lets agree to differ on this as we end up debating something not worth falling out over.
 
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i see.
i think it would stand up very well..but lets agree to differ on this as we end up debating something not worth falling out over.
I don't think it would, when you say to the judge 'I left it safer than when I found it but not safe enough to prevent the accident your honour' I don't think it'll go very well.
 
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I don't think it would, when you say to the judge 'I left it safer than when I found it but not safe enough to prevent the accident your honour' I don't think it'll go very well.
Ever heard of the phrase 'a dog with a bone ' ?
 
Paul228

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and why would you say "
'I left it safer than when I found it but not safe enough to prevent the accident your honour
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Anyone would half a brain would say.
i found it in a dangerous state and made it much safer, here are some pictures to support my statement.
im guessing you have never been in an english court.
A judge would look very favourable if you can demonstrate you made things infinatly safer than you found it. ie connected the earths.
 
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and why would you say "
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Anyone would half a brain would say.
i found it in a dangerous state and made it much safer, here are some pictures to support my statement.
im guessing you have never been in an english court.
A judge would look very favourable if you can demonstrate you made things infinatly safer than you found it. ie connected the earths.
And if an accident has occurred as a result of you not having complied with the regulations then I seriously hope that the judge would not look favourably on you. If you've gone 95% of the way towards complying then why not go a little further and fully comply?
 
Paul228

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if i had the time, or the inclination, id look for a few tests cases in law which would set precidence and support either of our points.

But just thinking allowed, most standard junction boxes rely on the cables held in place with cable clips....they certainly dont have cable clamps within them...
 
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if i had the time, or the inclination, id look for a few tests cases in law which would set precidence and support either of our points.

But just thinking allowed, most standard junction boxes rely on the cables held in place with cable clips....they certainly dont have cable clamps within them...
While I'm having nowt to do with the current 'discussion' a standard JB is designed for fixed cables, not flex.
 
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So in this situation I'm in a customer property, customer isn't there and I can't go anywhere to get spares etc.

What would you have me do to fully comply? How would you get over the issue of there being no cable clamps?
 
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So in this situation I'm in a customer property, customer isn't there and I can't go anywhere to get spares etc.

What would you have me do to fully comply? How would you get over the issue of there being no cable clamps?
If this is a reply to my above post I was making a point on Paul228's comment about standard JB's. As far as I'm concerned the lack of cable clamps on your box is a very minor issue, there are hundreds of heating connection boxes like that everywhere working without problems. I wasn't having a go at you.
 
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If this is a reply to my above post I was making a point on Paul228's comment about standard JB's. As far as I'm concerned the lack of cable clamps on your box is a very minor issue, there are hundreds of heating connection boxes like that everywhere working without problems. I wasn't having a go at you.
It wasn't directed at you, sorry.

Really it's a question for Dave, I'd just like to know how I'm supposed to fix it, when I'm not in a position to leave site and I don't have a bag of Honeywell cables clamps and screws in my possession.

As you say, there are hundreds of these boxes out there. Many without cable clamps and many in places subject to more mechanical disturbance (in airing cupboards for example).
 
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Honestly as frustrating and even infuriating as certain attitudes can come across on here I'd say don't let it bother you SC , you improved the job from both a safety and workman [woman?:D] ship perspective and who is going to pull on those flexes and attempt to rip them out of their terminals ? Different as you say in an airing cupboard where all sorts of bits and pieces can be chucked in there or 'stored' as some might say. :) 99% of us cheerfully accept we're not perfect and the other 1% are sadly deluded. :rolleyes:
 
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Workmanship is fine with me.

I'm not a subscriber to the current feminist ideas which seem to be focused around equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. Hiring quotas and all that garbage. They want equality... they should work hard for the top jobs like men have to!

Plus they aren't good for work place banter, all the PC claptrap is killing the best jokes :D
 

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