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There was a fire near me a few weeks ago at a general engineers. Gutted the rather ancient building they occupy.

As far as cause… I had heard from sources… so take with a pinch of salt… that they had a bonfire going and whoever was told to put it out with water…. Picked up paint thinners instead.

Would have had to be a serious H&S breach there keeping chemicals in unmarked containers, and not secure… but more likely the fire was just too close to old dry wood and the old building.
 
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going back tomy earlier days, we once was burning rubbish behing the store ( Rumbelows). wind blew sparks etc. into outhouse which had polystyrene packing in it. caught light. progressed to old dry timbers, whole shop damaged. end of story, the whole shop was renovated bythe insurers cost about £40k. only a month previous owners had received a quote for £15k to replace woodworm damaged timbers which ended up paid for on the fire insurance. (and i never got even a thanks).
 
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As a side story to the "the building burned down" stories ...
Some time ago a friend of mine was an architect and involved with a major retailer. My friend queried why they weren't fitting sprinklers in the new store she was involved with, to be told that they cost too much in stock damage every time someone knocked a head and let the water out.
Roll forward a relatively short time ... In the space of a couple of months, they had two stores catch fire. Neither had sprinklers, and by the time the fire was put out, there was nothing left but a pile of mangled steelwork that had just collapsed once it got hot enough to lose it's strength.

Cue project to retrofit sprinklers in their other stores 🙄
 
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going back tomy earlier days, we once was burning rubbish behing the store ( Rumbelows). wind blew sparks etc. into outhouse which had polystyrene packing in it. caught light. progressed to old dry timbers, whole shop damaged. end of story, the whole shop was renovated bythe insurers cost about £40k. only a month previous owners had received a quote for £15k to replace woodworm damaged timbers which ended up paid for on the fire insurance. (and i never got even a thanks).
Still don't know where the 500 smackers in your back pocket came from, then?
 
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Gives me an excuse to repost one of these photos:

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my father in laws caravan site, which he sold in 2016 and I’d spent a decade working on.

The cause, again through local gossip-mongers, was an electric heater left on overnight.
 
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As a side story to the "the building burned down" stories ...
Some time ago a friend of mine was an architect and involved with a major retailer. My friend queried why they weren't fitting sprinklers in the new store she was involved with, to be told that they cost too much in stock damage every time someone knocked a head and let the water out.
Roll forward a relatively short time ... In the space of a couple of months, they had two stores catch fire. Neither had sprinklers, and by the time the fire was put out, there was nothing left but a pile of mangled steelwork that had just collapsed once it got hot enough to lose it's strength.

Cue project to retrofit sprinklers in their other stores 🙄
I would have thought sprinklers were perfect for what they do

Is this a problem the heads being knocked ?
 
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I would have thought sprinklers were perfect for what they do

Is this a problem the heads being knocked ?
I know a couple of companies that have sprinklers decommissioned because the insurance was cheaper without them.

stock loss cost and likelihood calculations for accidental activation outweighed the total loss cost vs. the likelihood for a real fire.
 
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I haven't seen too many fires ,mainly at main boards and metering locations

As a poster alluded to previously , there's usually plenty to worry about in a fire situation than the cabling
 
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I know a couple of companies that have sprinklers decommissioned because the insurance was cheaper without them.

stock loss cost and likelihood calculations for accidental activation outweighed the total loss cost vs. the likelihood for a real fire.
Hmm well that's interesting
 
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I would have thought sprinklers were perfect for what they do
They are - simple, reliable, effective, and relatively low cost.
Is this a problem the heads being knocked ?
The problem is in the stock rooms. All it takes is one careless forklift manouver and you've popped a sprinkler - then water gushes out and all the stock in tne vicinity is damaged. And for good measure, when tbe water flows the fire alarm goes off and you have a load of "annoyed" customers who have to be kicked out.
 
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Surely in those sorts of areas the heads would be installed on the top of the pipe rather than underneath? In ceilings, recessed heads can be fitted that sit flush with the ceiling to prevent damage. These are good for domestic use as well as they are discreet. Sprinkler systems are great. I've been to 3 places that have had fires and sprinklers. In all 3 cases the sprinklers extinguished the fire before it spread beyond the room the fire started.
 
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Ah, but now you are into the realms of "workmanship vs speed/cost". Just like we see much ekectrical work done down to a price, same thing with sprinklers.

And while I don't know what they are, there are rules about how sprinklers must be installed. I recall that our warehouse guys had just finished putting solid shelves on the racking when they were told that it either had to be open (slatted) or they'd have to add sprinklers on each level - they bought in a load of slatted shelves and had a big pile of surplus ply.
 
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I've never seen a fuseboard that actually had fuses in the spare fuse clips. Looks like it was installed in the garden!
 
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shame i binned it. took one of them out the other week, pristine condition. you could have had it for £100. it had "failed" EICR through no RCD.
 
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Found these in one of my old folders, I may of posted them before, but no harm showing them again.
Got called by care in the community person to assess if a property was electrically safe for someone to return too, only had to do a visual, this is how I found it......
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4th picture. Is that a calculator with retro red lcd display?


What happened to all this? Did you have to report much? Did someone move back into that?
 
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I like the light fitting in the first photo! I'd love to know what all these creations do!
 

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