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Thought i'd start a thread on you sparky's, who enter an empty property ready to re-wire. Surely you have a routine in what you do? So i'd like to hear about it. I don't really do domestic and maybe getting a job in it. I know every property and situation is different, but just give us a general idea of how you go about it. Do you rip out and get the lighting done first? It can as detailed as you like ;)
 
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MacSparky

Normally go in:
Isolate:
Change board, tails, bonding etc and put up temporary d/socket for power:
Rip out all old installation where necessary:
First fix everything and all chasing etc:
Dead tests:
second fix:
Live tests:
All being well , back home in time for tea and medals and 'eggheads':eek:

This is roughly the way we go about full rewires with 2-3 guys on tools, if a 2 day job then try and get the lighting and central heating up + cooker circuit for the first day and run an extension lead from temporary socket for the tv for them:D

Open to opinions and maybe a tip or two;)
 
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adamh

go in hope you can get under the floor and its not had a loft conversion or an extension is always my 1st thought :)
 
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Spudmiester

the odd one that I have done, always started with downstairs sockets, dont know why, just did !
 
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Does any one do it different to macsparky? by not posting, you do it exactly the same way, hehe :D
 

danzor

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Mentor
Arms
Usually start with upstairs lights, then ground.
Once you done ground lights you should have a route of up stairs sockets.
Depending on the ground floor flooring. We either wire ground floor ring from 1st floor if its concrete floors or lift boards if we're lucky.

Something like that :D
 
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rumrunner

When i used to do it i would do

first day. consumer unit,upstairs lights
next day,and maybee the next, kitchen sockets, and other downstairs stuff
next day ,and maybee the next, middle ,ie downstairs lights and upstairs sockets
next day ,all the odds and ends outside lights ,immersion heater etc ,making good
next day, testing

slow but sure, it doesnt matter how long a job takes as long as its right ,well thats my excuse anyway
 
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Darius-parky

During last year I have been part of a team of three upgrading council properties (2-3 bedrooms flats or house). 2 properties a day (8:00am - 4:30pm);

  • Check and confirms work sheet
  • Check for sound continuty to make sure there is no broken ring (if confirmed the nightmare starts)
  • One man on CU, gas and water bonding
  • One man on bathroom. Sup bonding for Light, shower (if available) and rad, IP45 light fitting and bathroom fan.
  • One man on changes (all sockets, flexes and switches) and extra sockets (most jobs are done with trunking as council do not pay and does not want any chasing)
  • The first person who finish his job at hand jumps on the next task
  • Smoke Alarm
  • Wiring Shower or Cooker if required
  • Final touches and finishing
  • Testing and paper work
 
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alex

During last year I have been part of a team of three upgrading council properties (2-3 bedrooms flats or house). 2 properties a day (8:00am - 4:30pm);

  • Check and confirms work sheet
  • Check for sound continuty to make sure there is no broken ring (if confirmed the nightmare starts)
  • One man on CU, gas and water bonding
  • One man on bathroom. Sup bonding for Light, shower (if available) and rad, IP45 light fitting and bathroom fan.
  • One man on changes (all sockets, flexes and switches) and extra sockets (most jobs are done with trunking as council do not pay and does not want any chasing)
  • The first person who finish his job at hand jumps on the next task
  • Smoke Alarm
  • Wiring Shower or Cooker if required
  • Final touches and finishing
  • Testing and paper work

thats good going for 2 a day.

me and my mate used to wire 3/4 bed councils houses in a day all be it a lot of surface yt2 trunking used. i used to start marking out kitchen and then chop all that out, then drop on drill holes for cables for ring coming down then chuck up the fishes to tie onto. chop out chases and drill through for back to back sockets.fix some back boxes, then i removed switches and lights. meanwhile my mate had lifted appropite floorboards and had drill the joists and had started wiring which he did on his own. once cables had dropped down then i tubed up and fixed and then 2nd fixed. once downstairs was finished about 12.30 i went up in the loft and we wired upstairs lights that takes 20 mins then my mate 2nd fixed upstairs lights while i started on chopping out upstairs and 2nd fixing all that. meanwhile my mate was wiring downstairs lights i helped him pull d/lights cables in. after that i started on mains while my mate bonded bathroom done the heating controls and trunked cables in airing cupboard. after that i fitted outside light and then the big tidy up was done that normally took over an hour to get everything back into place and tidy.


now the sad bit is me and my mate have had to split up and he is working somewhere else.
 
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Willis

Normally go in:
Isolate:
Change board, tails, bonding etc and put up temporary d/socket for power:
Rip out all old installation where necessary:
First fix everything and all chasing etc:
Dead tests:
second fix:
Live tests:
All being well , back home in time for tea and medals and 'eggheads':eek:

This is roughly the way we go about full rewires with 2-3 guys on tools, if a 2 day job then try and get the lighting and central heating up + cooker circuit for the first day and run an extension lead from temporary socket for the tv for them:D

Open to opinions and maybe a tip or two;)
Is it ok to do dead tests before second fix? Wouldnt u want to test insulation resistance with all your sockets in place?
 
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MacSparky

Its always a good idea to do dead tests before second fix in case theres any teething problems...saves any grief down the line and yes IR tests are fine with socket outlets in place...this will also give you a good idea of your connections....check polarity (visual) at the same time....become that robot:D
 
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Is it ok to do dead tests before second fix? Wouldnt u want to test insulation resistance with all your sockets in place?
yes IR tests are fine with socket outlets in place...this will also give you a good idea of your connections....check polarity (visual) at the same time....become that robot:D
rhetorical question comes to mine, This topic is very informational, so keep it going, with your regular checks, routines, any one with any tips ?
 
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rumrunner

Hi,
how do you do a dead test before you connect anything ?,
what do you do test every bit of cable? ,
its a new one on me! ,
how much do you charge for doing it ?,
 
W

wayne

as rum says ,if you got a ring circuit with sockets missing the only way to dead test is by choc bloc which is time cosuming
 
S

Shakey

as rum says ,if you got a ring circuit with sockets missing the only way to dead test is by choc bloc which is time cosuming
and also pointless, because you are proving nothing!

surely the idea is you test AFTER connecting up, that way you will know that, ...erm... its all connected correctly? and everything is a continuos loop?

personally, i believe, for example, that IR test are only valid if made AFTER the sockets, switches etc are connected, because thats when you are going to screw through one of the cables........:p
 
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EasyFox

For me its.
(1) cu & bonding + temp socket for kettle & chargers
(2) lights test & connect (can work later in the day with lights on)
(3) upstairs sockets & bathroom bonding + shower
(4) downstairs sockets & kitchen sockets
(5) bt & data if requested
(6) 2nd fix
(7) dead test & live test

Something like that..but like most things plans change while in operation.
 
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alex

no no bane what happened was we were working on price in scunthorpe. the price was ok but not the best. anyway our finished the scunthorpe job and we were sent to leicester:eek: no traveling time and from leeds its 2hrs on a good run and anybody who knows the m1 to leeds from leicester you very rarley get a good run. the price in leicester was really bad just an example wire a shower from board to shower including making good and testing was £15.00. thats no joke another was mains change full pme an test was £60. anyway we were never going to make our money on that job and the job was for 3 months so we left the company.
my mate has a job at another company in leeds and i start a new job in leeds on monday back rewiring and upgrades on council houses lived in and voids. which im happy about as its what i know.
im trying to get my mate at the same firm as me so we can team up again.
 
B

Bane

I see. Well, best of luck with the future, hope everything works out for you mate.
 
C

Cirrus

God and I thought £77 to wire a shower from board and test was poor money. Maybe I should think myself lucky!
 
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PAUL M

on arrival a cup of tea is a must ,then maybe a bacon sandwich then after a read of paper we allways wire the house by starting at the top and work down,leave any outside lights and other annoying bits till last.oh what a life.
 
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TPES

Done many Council re-wires of kitchens and bathrooms.

2 of us in a house and usually done by 2:00pm first fix and second fix.
These were lived in working around all appliances in kitchens etc.. Nasty work!
First thing was... Get the radio out the van!
Go in and roll carpets back get floor boards up ASAP.
1 of us would mark out the kitchen and start chasing out, carry on first fixing.
the 2nd would be in the bathroom or loft doing first fix. When all pulled in we would need to second fix. Core hole needed in kitchen & bathroom for fans. Theres is antother set of sparks that would go round and test only.
 
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WarrenG

Most here are saying that they would do the CU first and install a temporary socket for kettle and chargers.

Do you guys feed the new CU from the existing old CU as a temp supply?

This is something I had to do while attempting to rewire a property that was being lived in! - total nightmare! :mad:

Or do kill all the power, rip out the old CU and fit the new CU, bonding, tails etc and get lights on first (plus a temp socket)?

Warren
 
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Paul_Rawlinson

You could always connect back up to existing unit if is only temp saving time, allowing you to get more done, then do new CU last with all the new cable ready to just connect up and complete final testing
 
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WarrenG

Yes Paul, thats how I did it on that occasion.

I was quite lucky because the new CU was being placed on a wall opposite and therefore I could install the new CU, tails, bonding etc and replace circuit for circuit, old for new.

Eventually the old CU was empty to rip out.
 
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sivoodoo

So, how many of you pulled the main fuse to juice up the CU?
 
J

Jurassic Spark

Usually start upstairs lights first, then downstairs lights and upstairs socket at the same time, followed by down ring, kitchen ring, then mains.

Done it this way for almost 40 years - can't see point in changing now. :)
 
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R G

Usually start with upstairs lights, then ground.
Once you done ground lights you should have a route of up stairs sockets.
Depending on the ground floor flooring. We either wire ground floor ring from 1st floor if its concrete floors or lift boards if we're lucky.

Something like that :D


Exactly the same way for me to , Find its easier to bring all feeds back as you go and mains last...
 
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Andystraughan

All my rewires are occupied so can't strip out straight away. First thing to do is find route to new mains board. Then wire up sockets/smokes/down lights in the first day. Floor boards back down for good. Then kitchen sockets next day. Down sockets all chased connected up mains board and test away. Doddle :)
 
First for me is, temp supply up for chargers and the most import bit of kit the kettle!!!

Loop in and out for lights first, to rig up temp lights then its onto first fixing sockets.
 

GLENNSPARK

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Arms
Normally go in:
Isolate:
Change board, tails, bonding etc and put up temporary d/socket for power:
Rip out all old installation where necessary:
First fix everything and all chasing etc:
Dead tests:
second fix:
Live tests:
All being well , back home in time for tea and medals and 'eggheads':eek:

This is roughly the way we go about full rewires with 2-3 guys on tools, if a 2 day job then try and get the lighting and central heating up + cooker circuit for the first day and run an extension lead from temporary socket for the tv for them:D

Open to opinions and maybe a tip or two;)
??????
 

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