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That's an interesting read. A few things I wasn't aware of including the part about being able to leave 6mm bonding in place if it has been in for some time and has no signs of thermal damage.

I work on the voids section for a large housing trust and whenever void work is carried out we are in first and all C1's and C2's are dealt with anyway, bonding is always upgraded to 10mm, faults repaired, circuits (or full installation) rewired as required (with minor works, eic's as necessary) and then when all other trades are finished they send another electrician in to do an eicr before making ready to let.

Because of this, I've never seen a board change without all the other work undertaken as well which is why I was interested in general as to how much you are responsible for.

“Circuits that are defective or non-compliant with BS7671 in a way that would result in immediate or potential danger must not be reconnected”
Do any of you come across this where the customer does not want to pay for other work so you have to refuse to do a board change or leave circuits disconnected?
 
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Vortigern

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I am doing this right now the same situation. And I have encountered this previously. Estate/management agents will insist on an EICR for a new tenancy. I am doing an EIC and EICR as a matter of course for a DB change. Doing the EICR as well is quite easy as I have all the figures I need from the EIC. However I think that the idea of electrical safety can be shown to have been met with an EIC or an EICR. Both show that all circuits have been tested and comply with BS7671 as required by the ESPRS requirements. But estate agents will insist on the letter of the law and call for an EICR whatever the situation as that is what it says. Personally I think that is black letter law whereas I am more teleological in my approach and would accept either as proof the installation is safe. And at the same time I understand the estate agents/landlords dilemna and will happily cater accordingly without demur.
 

dodger421

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Do any of you come across this where the customer does not want to pay for other work so you have to refuse to do a board change or leave circuits disconnected?
I have, thankfully, not experienced that situation. I’d like to hope most people could be convinced to spend a little extra money when the consequences of the danger are explained reasonably but I’m aware thats probably wishful thinking.
 

ipf

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I'm sorry but that isn't correct. The certificate only certifies the work carried out, i.e. replacement of the distribution board. Other than for a new installation (including full rewire) it cannot substitute an Electrical Installation Condition Report and rightly so.
You're correct of course, my mistake in the early hours.
No allowance for 'limitations' with an EIC whilst, in such a situation, they would be required....even if complete testing is carried out (more thoroughly than is required in a periodic)
It's a bit tedious though, failing an EICR, replacing a CU/DB complete with EIC and then issuing another EICR, 🤔......... depends on the situation, I suppose..
 

Risteard

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You're correct of course, my mistake in the early hours.
No allowance for 'limitations' with an EIC whilst, in such a situation, they would be required....even if complete testing is carried out (more thoroughly than is required in a periodic)
It's a bit tedious though, failing an EICR, replacing a CU/DB complete with EIC and then issuing another EICR, 🤔......... depends on the situation, I suppose..
There shouldn't be any need to rewrite the EICR though - just be clear about the remedial works done on the EIC (or MEIWC for other types of works) and ideally cross reference the original report.
 

ipf

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There shouldn't be any need to rewrite the EICR though - just be clear about the remedial works done on the EIC (or MEIWC for other types of works) and ideally cross reference the original report.
That's the generally way. Hence the 🤔..................😊
 

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