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A flush metal box is fine when you take the screws out of any switch, socket etc the connections are exposed the recess metal box is the enclosureWhat would be classed as a suitable enclosure for these type of fittings? I have previously stated that i always flush a small metal architrave box in the wall to put the connections in for lights of this type but as soon as the fixing screws are taken out then any connection is always going to be exposed anyway.
I suppose maybe its all about how the connections sit against the wall and what type of wall it is etc. Also the fact that you could get rogue strands of cable sticking out of connectors wouldn't help being very close to the fitting.
I still see it a lot of the time now its still commonSo would it ever be acceptable to say that the fitting itself is the enclosure for these connections? I only ask this because when i was an apprentice in the 80's (gulp) the electricians i worked with nearly always just tucked the connections behind fittings of this type.
Maybe it was just different thinking then.
The Wago 224 are ideal for this sort of thing. Used some in similar situation where there was barely any earth left (had been cut short) though in this case there was a metal architrave box or similar in the wall.Personally I would replace those connectors with wagos (other makes available).
Ok, still not happy with it though, so what code.Rough perhaps, but I think it may be okay, and compliant. Here is why:
526.5
Every termination and joint in a live conductor or a PEN conductor shall be made within one of the following or a combination thereof:
(i) A suitable accessory complying with the appropriate product standard
(ii) An equipment enclosure complying with the appropriate product standard
(iii) An enclosure partially formed or completed with building material which is non-combustible when tested to BS 476-4.
I know precisely nothing about BS 476-4, but I find it difficult to imagine that brickwork, plaster, plasterboard etc would be deemed combustible when tested to any standard.
Yea,definitely be better but hiding them behind a old fashioned wall light would be not easy.The Wago 224 are ideal for this sort of thing. Used some in similar situation where there was barely any earth left (had been cut short) though in this case there was a metal architrave box or similar in the wall.
What code do you think something that complies with the regulations attracts?Ok, still not happy with it though, so what code.
Still code 2 for me,it’s definitely not correct ,still needs a enclosure,pattresss.What code do you think something that complies with the regulations attracts?
If unsheathed cables were visible outside the enclosure once on I'd agree C2, but for the sake of argument is this any different from most of the metal decorative light fittings that come with a single bar that connects to the ceiling - they have no 'back' other than that provided by the plasterboard, yet the cabling within is usually not sheathed or in a separate enclosure (apart from the IP rated ones which are those hideous tiny ones)Still code 2 for me,it’s definitely not correct ,still needs a enclosure,pattresss.
Rough perhaps, but I think it may be okay, and compliant. Here is why:
526.5
Every termination and joint in a live conductor or a PEN conductor shall be made within one of the following or a combination thereof:
(i) A suitable accessory complying with the appropriate product standard
(ii) An equipment enclosure complying with the appropriate product standard
(iii) An enclosure partially formed or completed with building material which is non-combustible when tested to BS 476-4.
I know precisely nothing about BS 476-4, but I find it difficult to imagine that brickwork, plaster, plasterboard etc would be deemed combustible when tested to any standard.
What’s your thoughts on this,codes etc.
Quite a lot if these,on wall lights & chain hanging lanterns.
It needs some enclosure sure, but it was ok 20 years ago,& no probs.
C2 - potentially dangerous. How so?Still code 2 for me,it’s definitely not correct ,still needs a enclosure,pattresss.
These are ok, but I always worry that I might accidentally release the conductors when cramming them into whatever is enclosing them. I prefer the lever 221s myself.The Wago 224 are ideal for this sort of thing. Used some in similar situation where there was barely any earth left (had been cut short) though in this case there was a metal architrave box or similar in the wall.
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