EICR's - circuits that prove impossible to trace

[Dave_]

Hello all,

just wondered what you do when you come across circuits on a EICR that are not labelled and you can't trace them?

I do this:

where you have 'extent of installation covered by this report'

I put - 'as per circuit schedule'

in the circuit schedule I note down 'Unasble to Trace'

am i leaving myself open??

thanks in advance,

Dave

 

[iamelectric]

you shouldnt be tracing them just mark it down on the sheet

 

[iamelectric]

i would mark it as c3 recomend improvement i.e get someone into trace it and label it

 

[Mike66]

On the NICEIC sheets it has a further investigation required tick box. i would mark it there

 

[Sharpend]

That's ok if he's using Niceic sheets.

 

[Mike66]

LOL your right, didnt think of that. Perhaps they should all be a standard format, that way we could all advise

 

[Dave_]

So basically then if its not marked, dont attempt to find out what it is? what is the whole db is not labelled?? there must be some sort of crossover point where you say yay or nay!

 

[iamelectric]

if nothing is marked it would need to be investigated before you started

 

[iamelectric]

ie: more time =more doe

 

[Richard Burns]

If you have made efforts to trace the circuits and cannot find the outlets then this would be an operational limitation, and should be noted in limitations.
The test results would identify that it was an untraceable circuit.
and in coding it it would require further investigation.

 

[telectrix]

easiest way is to leave the circuit de-energised and wait for the customer to phone and tell you what's not working anymore. if they don't phone, then it's probably disused anyway,

 

[GLENNSPARK]

not verified....
N/V

 

[Knobhead]

easiest way is to leave the circuit de-energised and wait for the customer to phone and tell you what's not working anymore. if they don't phone, then it's probably disused anyway,

I love that method, one did throw me. An 800A feeder, never did find out where it went.

 

[ipf]

I love that method, one did throw me. An 800A feeder, never did find out where it went.

Nottingham Forest floodlights down again..

 

[Phoenix]

Nottingham Forest floodlights down again..

Notts Forrest NEVER needed that much power for flood lights, whenever the ball was lost, it was in the back of their own net!

 

[Knobhead]

Nottingham Forest floodlights down again..

I live in Nottingham, never worked here.

It would have been a bloody long cable from the CFS switch to the otherside of the trent. Lucky if you got 6V at Trent Bridge with a couple of 60W lamps due to volt drop.

 

[Knobhead]

Sorry just worked it out. You could have 4KW of lighting on a 300mm 4 core SWA and just be inside the 3% limit.

 

[KFH]

Slightly off topic but I worked for a large organisation and they could not work out why they had so many mobile phones on contract. They sent around a memo asking for the phone numbers that were wanted. They ceased the contracts on the others, about 200 phones. They did not get one complaint. They then tightened up on their leaving procedures to get company property back.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

In the Extent of elecrical installation i type: Complete electrical inspection and test as far as reasonably practicable.

If we can not find a circuit we then put in the circuit detail: Unable to locate

Then defect it as a F/I

hope this helps

 

[Brightspark2]

Yes you can only spend so long trying to trace a circuit then mark it down as further investigation required.

you shouldnt be tracing them just mark it down on the sheet

hhmmm

Its part and parcel of an EICR IMO.

Although we did agree with one client to trace all circuits first as 90% of circuits where not labeled in one large warehouse we did, took about a week!.