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i'm currently registered with elecsa under the part p scheme
i'm fully qualified,c&g electricians cert in '94,jib approved,17th ed,nvq3 (no 2391 though) blah blah
what's the best body between the two to be 'down' with
taking into account cost,support etc
what do you need to do to be an approved contractor (nic)rather than a domestic installer(nic) because you see all manner of people displaying a dom installer logo.
i'm fed up of having to explain to callers that elecsa is the same thing as niceic.
some people even ask for discounts because i'm not niceic!!!!
 
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Spudnik

Elecsa are perfect if you want to just 'get on with job' and comply.

However, NIC are generally known for their lack of support to contractors, but then, they are a body set up for the customer, not the electrician. They also ask for a more from a contractor, than the minimum requirements set out by the government.

Their approved contractor scheme is mainly for commercial and industrial electricians, so you would need to show them, amongst other things, some commercial jobs you have done for your assessment.

If you are being asked if you are NIC and you are loosing work because you are not, then you only have one option. But be prepared to sort out your own problems.

Having said all that, there are some electricians that are quite happy with them.
 
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smoggy

i'm currently registered with elecsa under the part p scheme
i'm fully qualified,c&g electricians cert in '94,jib approved,17th ed,nvq3 (no 2391 though) blah blah
what's the best body between the two to be 'down' with
taking into account cost,support etc
what do you need to do to be an approved contractor (nic)rather than a domestic installer(nic) because you see all manner of people displaying a dom installer logo.
i'm fed up of having to explain to callers that elecsa is the same thing as niceic.
some people even ask for discounts because i'm not niceic!!!!
I was with nic now with elecsa, elecsa more friendly and imo were stricter on my assessment , if i get asked i explain elecsa owned by eca and british gas/electric are with them. touch wood i havn't lost a job because of it. at the moment i'm getting asked if i will give a discount for no cert.:eek:
 
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coxy

Hi I was with nappit for 1 year then went with nic basically because they are well known.I get jobs that specify nic registration - most people have no idea who elesca or nappit are.Been with nic for 3 years and going for approved status.I find them fine no problems,sometimes call tech support who can solve problems.One thing frustrating is that all part p governing bodies have different values, for instance nappit will make you earth metal back boxes where as nic dont.With the nic to join the domestic installer scheme you dont even need to be a registered sparky !!! I believe that there should be 1 scheme all of us belong to !!!!! Ps Sorry no nothing about elesca !
 
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sparks72

I'm with NICEIC, not bad, but contacting them is a ball ache!
Mate of mine is with Elecsa, from what he has told me Elecsa are far more superior
when it comes to support etc. (I might join them & leave NICEIC)
 
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pushrod

Hi I was with nappit for 1 year then went with nic basically because they are well known.I get jobs that specify nic registration - most people have no idea who elesca or nappit are.Been with nic for 3 years and going for approved status.I find them fine no problems,sometimes call tech support who can solve problems.One thing frustrating is that all part p governing bodies have different values, for instance nappit will make you earth metal back boxes where as nic dont.With the nic to join the domestic installer scheme you dont even need to be a registered sparky !!! I believe that there should be 1 scheme all of us belong to !!!!! Ps Sorry no nothing about elesca !
What is a registered sparky?
 
what sort of things do they ask on asessment, can your assessment be at home, showing jobs youve done etc.....which one is the more stringent...how can you fail assessment.....im working shifts at the mo and get quite a lot of time off so im thinking of starting out doing some domestic work or something but need to get my house in order first and do some groundwork, will also be interesting to any ones views or opinions thanks in advance....
 
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pushrod

I have a friend who had is elecsa assessment on work he had done in his home.
 
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Spudnik

NICEIC are for the customer, not the contractor.

ECA/Elecsa and the others are there for the contractor.
 
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Anonomoose

I have just started on my own and am with Elecsa. I had my assesment last Wednesday. It was very thorough. He asked me lots of technical questions, watched me test and checked all my documents.
As it was my first time and going on my own I didnt have any work to show the assessor so I only had the option to change my own consumer unit in my house. He said that this was fine but next year if i could get two jobs one in progress on completed that would be good.
I get a bit ****** off with all the TV programs that only say use an NIC approved electrician. They should mention the ECA and Elecsa as we have had to be assessed and signed off before we work.
 
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adsday78

Is that seriously true about not tagging boxes? I am not trying to insult anyboy, but I have not read that in the regs, not that i know it word for word. Surely though the reason for tagging boxes is because the accessorie screw is in contact with it and fixings could inadvertantly come into contact with some structural metal, therefore if the box somehow becomes live then so do the things i mentioned.
 
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Modernelectric

I'm with Elecsa and have noticed a lot of previously NIC registered sparks in my local area now displaying Elecsa signs on their vans. I think it comes down to cost more than anything.
 
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ICE

As far as I am aware if a metal back box has one fixed lug (which most do) and if it is not a TNC-S system them the back box does not have to have a fly lead...
 
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