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Yep, The only real discussion point is the earthing / bonding. Tne DNO's are concerned on a TN system that the vehicle and or chargeing point which is outside the property extends the equipontial zone. I believe that they would like to see them be installed similar to caravan parks, i.e. localised TT.
 
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Sorry Richard, missed the point of your post, If you want to, you can get accreditation to f**t .... What's the point of the accreditation, what's the benefit.. Who does it, what's the cost ... Why would I bother...
 
The car charging pods aren't in the pas 2030 so I find it unbelievable the scams want to run a 1 day course on it it's the same as a shower unit these scams are after every pound of flesh
 
I was at a presentation on Wednesday last where someone running a major electric car charging point install initiative was talking about dishing out 'free' points to various tourism businesses. Free that is apart from a £200 per point installation charge and then expecting the business owners to give the electricity consumed away for free as there is no in-built way of separately metering it! Aside from the costs, at 30A per point (fast charge) I can't see it being a practical proposition for most people.

If I was installing, say, 4 points at a location in one day I can bet I would not be seeing the largest part of the £800 fee for that. It will all be going to someone else not the installer.
 
I went into an electric car shop for a look....there was a couple and a staff member struggling away with a new V-haul car trying to get it to connect/ accept a charge in the shop......I was in for about 45 minutes looking about .....after about 40 minutes it went "beep beep" and a green light on the dashboard behind the screen wipers came on..."that's it charging now".....then they went away......it was a really nice looking car so I asked the girl that was walking the floor how much it was and could I see the engine compartment, she told me "oh no we don't sell those" that's just a family that came in and rented one of our small cars until their own one gets recharged and this is the only place locally they can plug it in...so the people had to drive it inside a flashy showroom to plug it in for a charge.....apparently the car is £45,000 odd if bought direct from the manufacturer....


they were selling R-nlt tinkies or whatever they were called for £9,000 without doors or £10,000 with doors.... which were just like a pram with an electric motor and probably too small to be road legal once the plod get round to eyeballing one....


Bollard AC Charger was £6,000 incl installation and cabinet DC fast charger £10,000 as far as I remember from what I was told ...



If you don't have the new C&G ticket to install them or the NIC one then you probably won't be allowed to install Chargers as it will all be done through car sales companies and the electricity suppliers via recruitment agencies etc...
 
surely it falls under the part p scope you shouldnt have to be spending out even on a days course to install these pods
 
Aha I see where you giys are coming from... I wasn't looking at it from the domestic environment, I've been looking at it from the corporate point of view, where £200 won't even get me out to talk to them abnout the possibility of putting 3 in their nicely tarmaced insecure car park.... And by the time we've finished £10k a pop is nearer the mark, especially when every vehicle appears to have adopted a different plug and charging regime...
 
That's becasue battery technology and the range of these cars is so great that they never need to hook up at work :)
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People are so scared that they'll run out of power, and they might have that extra trip they need to do and the leccy car won't make it, they don't use them for work...
 
Sorry Richard, missed the point of your post, If you want to, you can get accreditation to f**t .... What's the point of the accreditation, what's the benefit.. Who does it, what's the cost ... Why would I bother...
Sorry I was called away just as I was posting. I was pretty much saying what you say, why get accreditation to do a standard install.
Big companies can waste the money on it and look all clever that they can install electrical apparatus, big whoop!

Here is the website for the one I was being pitched:

Free Charging Stations - Zero Carbon World

and given the existence of this: Code of Practice for Electric Vehicle Charging Equipment Installation - The IET I don't see much need for specialised training courses for experienced electricians.

This is the code of practice that pretty much tells you nothing additional to BS7671. If you were to assess the loading demand from this install, take account of the possibility of neutral failure on a TNCS and obey the rest of BS7671 then you are away. Any competent electrician can install these, but no doubt it will be more and more that only "accredited" companies should do these installs.

and for Zero carbon world, pod point, source east and plugged in Midlands, etc. this is just getting you set up for a "oh and now we will lock you into a contract and charge a premium for power for charging"

Come on corporations, Get some reality, please?
 
here's a few photos from nearest electric car shop.... Electric car charging pods Fast Charger.JPG - EletriciansForums.netElectric car charging pods Fast Charger 2.JPG - EletriciansForums.net
 
Surly a unit like that could just have a 3 pin plug on it, at the end of the day it is just a battery charger but in a big flashy case...
 
Surly a unit like that could just have a 3 pin plug on it, at the end of the day it is just a battery charger but in a big flashy case...

Yes, but it would need to be a very big 3 pin plug.

If you do some basic calcs:
The sign says empty to full in less than 30 minutes. A Nissan Leaf (for example) has a battery capacity of 24kWh.

So, you're filling the battery at a rate of 24kWh in half an hour, ie 48kWh per hour, =48kW.

At 230V, 48kW =209A. That's a big plug!

Or, more likely, on a 3 phase supply at about 70A.

The numbers will vary from car to car, but this isn't going to be too far out.
 
24kWh @ say 15p/kwh = 0 to full for £3.60 mmmm and Range ~ 100m (New European Driving Cycle - Wikipedia) = 0.36p/mile
 
What's the big deal? Its an outside socket! With the free ones at the moment you get two, and they're the same as caravan hook ups. One pod accepts a standard 3 pin plug and has its own 16amp rcbo. And the other pod accepts a 3 pin 32amp plug and is protected by a 32amp rcbo.

Its not a charging station its just an outside socket! Manufacturers instructions state TT the sockets.
 
Some EV charging points are indeed just a standard Cee Form socket fed from a dedicated 32A RCBO and such an arrangement is fine for overnight charging at home, however, where faster charging is required, this arrangement isn't suitable. Fairly recently the European automotive industry has agreed on a standard plug, which supports single phase AC, three phase AC or high current DC charging, through a single connector. If I remember correctly they agreed to use a Mennekes/VDE automotive connector, though I haven't double checked this. There is also talk of using the charging cable as a data/control interface, though which all sorts of things could be supported, from simple 'charging completed' alerts to satnav updates, etc.
 

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