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just been to price a job and they had an eic from feb 2006 for work completed in kitchen.
under comments on existing installation it says
  1. side extension and garage wiring not to BS7671 but it was left connected and still in service :eek:
  2. some switched live conductors in lighting circuits have no phase colour sleeving
i was taught that before issuing an eic any defects had to be addressed or left disconnected so my question is can you in fact list irregularities on eic or is it another job for me to sort out :confused:
 
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Spudnik

As that part of the installation, i assume, was not touched there is no need to bring that up to date if you are just altering the kitchen.

So


1. Depends on what is not to bs7671?
2. Lack of sleeving is not unsafe, however, it would have taken less time to put some on than writing it down!

To be honest, it sounds like they have gone OTT as most sparks wouldnt even bother checking that kind of thing if they were not even working on it.
 
morning mate with out getting an eic from my van and checking eic is only for the work it lists ie kitch and comments only on exsisting installation. it really depends how serious any defects are you cant force people to have work done. sleaving to switch wires is going to be hard to convince them it needs doing. non complyance with 7671 is only a number4 on pir anyway.
 
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thanks for the replies ;)
the extension and garage are in a real state and definitely wont be connecting them up to my nice new cu :eek:
the lighting only needed a bit of sleeve at switch and fitting so surely should have been done as a matter of course instead or recording it :confused:
i take it i will have to sleeve all switch drops now ive changed cu :confused:
 
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iceman

hi guys iv gotta go and install a new cousumer unit to a three bed semi its all been rewired just needs the c/u, apparantly theres no power to the property the person ordering the work reckons tht the electricty company wont come and put fuse untill the installation had been certified dont knw how true this is realy, if i had to supply eic with no power would i hav to record tabulated values based on tt - tns - tncs earth systems witch ever one it is, for ze zs pfc etc the only other way i knw to work out R1 + R2 VALUES is calculated usein circuit lenth X m/ohms/per metre value i dont realy think i could supply a cert to be honest cos i cant even test rscs??? any help would be great thanks

tht was rcds by the way my typin is dyer sorrys guys lol
 
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hi
connect the cu up and do all the dead testing, cont, ir, r1r2,etc make sure your bonds are connected when they come show them what you have done and the cirt and they should put the fuse in the main worry they have is ir tests because if there is a fault it could blow a fuse on their network
 
I

iceman

thanks for the tip markspark didnt wona put the 6s in mite bring me bad luck lol
 
S

Spudnik

I have just done exactly this.

As Mark said, did all dead tests and recorded them.

A few days later, after supply was installed, powered up, loop tests, rcd tests.

Done.
 
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iceman

yeah i'll hav to go bk and do all the live tests, i think i'll hav to put limitation on the lives tests wile theres no supply thn issue another cert wen theres a supply
 
you shouldnt need to sign off the dead tests just show them or leave them with a note sometimes they dont even want to look they just take your word its all ok just leave the live tests empty to fill in after
 
I

iceman

i thought about doin a pir report for the supply company thn issuing a eic once the jobs complete wots ya thoughts on this???
 
seriously mate the suuply comp wont expect you to do all that, just start testing as normal, all the dead tests, prehaps jason will confirm if he reads this
 
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Spudnik

Indeed, you do not have to leave a finished cert for them to look at.

In most cases the person from the DNO that comes to look at the job, is not normally the person who does the connections.

Whenever i do installs i use a photocopied schedule of test results sheet from the EIC pad. This sheet i use on site.

You could also do this and show them if they ask.

Once the install in finished i write up the proper EIC with all the details and send it to the client.
 
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iceman

cool i'll just do all the dead testin thn show the supply company if thy ask for it thn finish all the live tests wen hes gone thnks fellas ;-)
 
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Spudnik

cool i'll just do all the dead testin thn show the supply company if thy ask for it thn finish all the live tests wen hes gone thnks fellas ;-)
You got it.;)
 
I

iceman

hi i was just wondering if i rewire just the upstairs light circuit on the eic do i tick the new installation or adition box on the cert???
 
I

iceman

thanks for the quick reply ;-)
wot about if i did a board change?
 
I

iceman

thts for ya help

as im goin for me assesment very soon
im thinkin i mite go the elecsa route i did fancy nic but there way to expensive see wot happens in another 6months after i get some more work ;-)
 
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thts for ya help

as im goin for me assesment very soon
im thinkin i mite go the elecsa route i did fancy nic but there way to expensive see wot happens in another 6months after i get some more work ;-)
i am with nic but only because thats the name everyone knows and price is on par with others at £370 + vat unless you want to add periodics then its extortionate :eek:
i was going to go with napit but its only other sparks that seem to know who they are :rolleyes:
 
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timbospark

Hi Guys, just need some advice.

What is needed to sign off the electrical installation certificate, i have city and guilds level 3 in electrical installations, i didnt know if i need any particular certificates or qualifications to sign off a rewire? This is because i have just finshed a 3 bed rewire of a domestic property, i am self employed and, although i am confident in my testing ability, i didnt know if you needed anything for myself to put my signature on the sheet to sign the house off?

Please help.

Timbospark :confused:
 
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are you registered on a scheme or going LABC route :confused:
 
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timbospark

I'm not a a registered scheme no, and what is the LABC route?

i had been told previous that i could sign off an electrical installation certificate as long as i was compentent in doing so and that itt was a plain certificate rather than a branded one? Is this true?

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
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if you have done a rewire you need to be either part P registered or notify your local authority building control as this work is now covered under building regs.

you should have notified your labc before starting the work

i would speak to them first thing monday morning to see what their process is in a case like this as they all differ ;)
 
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timbospark

Okay thanks for the advice, i will be sure to call them. :)

So what is stopping me just signing off the work and putting my signature on the EIC Certificate?

and what happens if i do?
 
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the work wont be issued with a building compliance certificate and that could cause all sorts of problems for your customer :eek:

also worth noting that carrying out work that contravenes part p carries a fine of up to £5000 :eek:

i would have a read up on part P if you intend doing any more domestic work ;)
 
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timbospark

:) Thanks again.

If i sign off a certificate, fill it out etc and do all the testing. How will anyone know that im not part p or anything????

Im sure i know someone that signs off a blank certificate when he does testing and he isn't part p or registered he just does the work signs it off then thats it????

Basically my client owns the house, and he is paying a mortgage and he is hoping to rent it out.
 
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if he intends to rent the house out then i would make sure you get all the paperwork right :p

if something was to go wrong you would be in the frame and as you are an electrician you should be well aware of what part P is and its implications :rolleyes:

as for your mate well he must be mad :eek:
 
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