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I have done a job and have passed my 2391 yet I'm not with a governing body such as nic but I have been told I am ok to sign jobs off, is this true? Where can I get test certificates from?? Can I get them from a wholesaler? And where do I send a copy of the certs to? Do i keep one for my records then 1 to the customer then 1 to council or building inspector? Bit of a grey area to me
 
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Richard Burns

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This is something that you should know from your 2391 course, what paperwork is required when installing a circuit.
If you are then introducing the requirements of Part P of the building regulations then this is a different matter and you would need to be familiar with the Electricians Guide to the Building regulations and Part P of the building Regulations.

You would need to know this information before starting a job.
 
There's test certs and schedules in 7671 mate. Do a little digging on what's notifiable and what isn't. That and what's needed for scam membership etc has been done to death on here
 

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In short, for testing you don't need to be registered however you will require insurance and all that other nice legal stuff. Problem arises when you need to rectify a C1 that could turn into notifiable work, then you need to go through the hassle of informing LABC and getting the work inspected etc...

As Trev has said, loads of threads on here about the scams.
 
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Cj24

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Yeah I know what certs are required but what I am asking is can I get blank certs from wholesaler n who do I send to and am I ok doing this because on my 2391 course they sed u need a governing body yet iv been told diff since
 
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what jon was it? was it notifiable under part P ?
 
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Cj24

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It was a full wire on a new house, the part p is a grey area to me because told diff things, part p is to say ya competent but if I am a qualified electrician and have 2391 that proves I'm competent
 
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You can get blanks from the whole-seller but these are expensive after a while!
There are certs on here that can be downloaded and printed off for free - if you cant find them Im sure someone will post the link soon

Any notifiable jobs you must be registered or pay LABC to come and inspect the job - membership is cheaper if your doing a few every year

If your doing commercial or Industrial then no membership is required as Part P does not apply.

You keep 1 copy, 1 goes to Home owner (person ordering the work) and 1 goes to the occupant (if not home owner)
Nothing goes to LABC - only the notification

For testing nothing is required - insurance (PI&PL) is a must to cover your back - 2391 is an advantage

Membership is a good thing as getting LABC in does not look professional at all


I just did my 2391 and they tell you nothing at all about certs, aprat from how to fill them in - the colleges feel that notifying is the problem for the scam providers to inform you about - The colleges that are delivering these courses are a JOKE! they are delivering these courses in half the recommended learning time, once the time to go home comes or outside of the lesson they cant be bothered to help
 
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It was a full wire on a new house, the part p is a grey area to me because told diff things, part p is to say ya competent but if I am a qualified electrician and have 2391 that proves I'm competent
full rewire is notifiable!
This must be either signed off to LABC ad pay them to inspect it or join a scam and get them to notify it

The membership is only there to notify jobs that fall under pat P - nothing more!
They dont check that you are competent or anything - they just give the impression you are!


A full list on notifiable jobs can be found Building Regulations - Part P FAQs - IET Electrical

The best thing you can do is team up with another spark and get them to show you the ropes with paperwork and get the hang of it that way - Im sure a few on here will be more than happy to help - be warned there are a few on here who just likes to have a good moan about anything and everything!

Also put your location on your profile as well as it will help if you need advice with anything
 
if I am a qualified electrician and have 2391 that proves I'm competent
Unfortunately, in the eyes of the government, the scams and building control this is not the case mate. There's guys on here who are incredibly skilled sparks and who work with enormous voltages and with equipment that I wouldn't even think about and apparently they can't be trusted to run in a new RFC at home.
Stupid? incredibly but what can you do?
 

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Unfortunately, in the eyes of the government, the scams and building control this is not the case mate. There's guys on here who are incredibly skilled sparks and who work with enormous voltages and with equipment that I wouldn't even think about and apparently they can't be trusted to run in a new RFC at home.
Stupid? incredibly but what can you do?
Exactly Trev,

So if I don't pay my 400 and odd quid this year does this make me suddenly incompetent ? (some may say Iam already incompetent, lol :90:).
 
Well if you are then I am too because I refuse to join on principle. My work is mostly commercial with the odd bit of like for like changes thrown in. Obviously commercial electricity is less dangerous than domestic stuff
 
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If all sparks or sparks firms would make a stand and join together, and rebell against all these kinda association's (nic and the likes ect) and refuse to use them. Surely all/us sparks would benefit more, as we are competent, so they say when we pass the relevant courses, and we dont need to pay an association lots of money to tell us this every year
 

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I am often amused by peeps coming in the shop asking for 'Low Voltage' lighting ..yes i can come and fit 600V down lighters if you wish lol
 

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