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sythai

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Sorry if this has already been covered..... I’ve tried searching with no luck !

I’m after some info please on what is required to get set up to install EV chargers. Been getting a lot of calls on this lately, x3 this week so far.

Any info on it would be handy pros/ cons/ costs etc.

Cheers Sy
 

PJH2903

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I have done the C&G course, simple enough to do. You then need to invest in a chargepoint test adapter (the Rolec one is around £400).
You also need to register with each manufacturer that you want to install, Rolec, PodPoint etc and do their training to get approval to install their equipment.
Once you have done that you need to register with OLEV in order to claim the grants.
I did all this 12 months ago and have only installed 2 chargepoints, most of the dealers will have agreements in place with big national companies so it is difficult to break into the market.
Also OLEV are not the quickest at paying out the grant money (mine took nearly 4 months each time) and if there is anything remotely wrong with the paperwork they will also delay payment.
 

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Do you have to do a course?
Can you not just install an EVCP if you know what you are doing?
Or is this in relation to the grants and the need to be registered with OLEV?
 

PJH2903

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Do you have to do a course?
Can you not just install an EVCP if you know what you are doing?
Or is this in relation to the grants and the need to be registered with OLEV?
You can install without the course etc but you will not be able to claim the grant for the customer which for a home install is 75% of the cost up to £500 so you would not be competitive for new installs.
 

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As already covered you need to be in a scheme if installing home chargers as its notifiable.
For the olev schemes, you need to do acourse, city and guilds or a one day niceic thing. Then get manufacturer approval for each make via training days etc which is usually free. Some make you get the brands tester. Some makes will approve you for domestic chargers only if you arent NICEIC AC or equivalent.
Then apply to olev. Homecharge applications can be long as the paperwork is long. Workplace is much much easier.
You can fit one outside of olev schemes but as above you wont get the subsidy.
I have fitted 22 in the last year, between domestic and workplace ones. Its picking up and got more to quote for.
 

Devonchris

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Can't see much call for ev in Devon. In most areas, the battery would flat before you got back from popping out for a loaf.

Bit more affluent in Bath. I bet some of those ev's struggle to climb some of those hills though.
 
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sythai

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As already covered you need to be in a scheme if installing home chargers as its notifiable.
For the olev schemes, you need to do acourse, city and guilds or a one day niceic thing. Then get manufacturer approval for each make via training days etc which is usually free. Some make you get the brands tester. Some makes will approve you for domestic chargers only if you arent NICEIC AC or equivalent.
Then apply to olev. Homecharge applications can be long as the paperwork is long. Workplace is much much easier.
You can fit one outside of olev schemes but as above you wont get the subsidy.
I have fitted 22 in the last year, between domestic and workplace ones. Its picking up and got more to quote for.
Thanks Gavin appreciate the helpful feedback ;-)
 

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I have done the C&G course, simple enough to do. You then need to invest in a chargepoint test adapter (the Rolec one is around £400).
You also need to register with each manufacturer that you want to install, Rolec, PodPoint etc and do their training to get approval to install their equipment.
Once you have done that you need to register with OLEV in order to claim the grants.
I did all this 12 months ago and have only installed 2 chargepoints, most of the dealers will have agreements in place with big national companies so it is difficult to break into the market.
Also OLEV are not the quickest at paying out the grant money (mine took nearly 4 months each time) and if there is anything remotely wrong with the paperwork they will also delay payment.
I've just completed a job installing three 7.2 kW chargers in a commercial environment under the Workplace Charging Scheme. I'm dismayed to have now discovered that I'm going to have to wait four months for payment of the £1500 grant money from OLEV. I certainly won't be undertaking any more grant jobs, that's for sure. That's a lot of money to have to initially lay out, and a sum that will impact negatively on my cash-flow for the next quarter.

The whole grant scheme would appear to a bit of a con anyway:

The Great UK EV Charger Grant Mystery

The chargers that I installed were Rolec EVWP2026/WCS at a cost of £715.25 per charger. The 'WCS' part of the code denotes that the charger will come complete with GPRS metering equipment and a 3 year guarantee. These two conditions have been imposed by OLEV, and if you don't comply, you don't get paid. The standard model EVWP2026, however, can be bought for £389.99 from this wholesaler. So that's £325.26‬ of the grant gone straight away to cover the cost of the GPRS metering equipment.

Ergo the customer has in actuality been given a grant of £174.74. And since any business or organisation who are awarded an OLEV grant are obliged to monitor the usage of each and every charger and forward the usage data to OLEV on a monthly basis, one has to ask if the inconvenience of doing so is worth it for the sake of £174.74. Some will say it is, others will say it is not. Indeed, I've just won a job to install another charger of the same make and model for a different client who doesn't want to go through the grant process for this very reason. It is this type of customer to whom I will be marketing my services in future.
 

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Informative.

I suspect, if I stay around a bit longer, that my next vehicle will be a hybrid or in bit longer, all electric. Guess I’ll be paying someone to install it

As an aside, much does it cost, to charge a car?
 

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Hi - I’m thinking it’s £5 to £10 for a charge.

Just based on 14p per kW, a 40kW battery, with 80% overall charging efficiency (my guesstimate of losses in cables, charger battery and the battery itself) giving £7... it’d be interesting to hear what the real costs turned out to be :) .
 
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Zdb

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Informative thread.

Slightly off topic but someone posted about an EV charging unit a few weeks ago that didnt require the use of an earth rod.

Does anyone know the make and model or have datasheet for it?

Thanks
 

Devonchris

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The 'WCS' part of the code denotes that the charger will come complete with GPRS metering equipment and a 3 year guarantee. These two conditions have been imposed by OLEV, and if you don't comply, you don't get paid
This is so the government knows where they are and when you use them, so they can tax you when the oil revenue drys up. So some customers could be speculating on savings later. But they'll get you some other way in the end.
 

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This is so the government knows where they are and when you use them, so they can tax you when the oil revenue drys up. So some customers could be speculating on savings later. But they'll get you some other way in the end.
That was precisely my conclusion too.

Up until 1st July, the installation of GPRS smart-metering and the provision of a three-year warranty on the EV charger(s) was applicable only to chargers installed under the Workplace Charging Scheme. But from that date the same conditions now apply to chargers installed under the Home Charging Scheme. So in effect, there is very little financial gain for the customer. The lion's share of the grant money that the customer receives will be eaten-up by the additional costs of having to install an EV charger on a three-year warranty alongside a GPRS smart meter. Indeed, the £500 grant doesn't even cover the cost of the charger itself. A con if you ask me.
 

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Informative thread.

Slightly off topic but someone posted about an EV charging unit a few weeks ago that didnt require the use of an earth rod.

Does anyone know the make and model or have datasheet for it?

Thanks
 
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Gavin John Hyde

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Informative thread.

Slightly off topic but someone posted about an EV charging unit a few weeks ago that didnt require the use of an earth rod.

Does anyone know the make and model or have datasheet for it?

Thanks
It was myself. The new podpoint unit needs no rod so is good for PME.

As asked above, I get my leads by being on the olev lists, zapmap and from manufacturers. Checkatrade and ratedpeople are also good sources.

Not sure why somebody waited 3 months for payment from olev for a commercial install. These are a lot simpler admin wise and usually i get paid from olev within 60 days.

Evbox's elvi charger is approved for both schemes and you get 20% off if an aproved installer. It has had the smart back office software from day 1 so hasnt gone up like the rolec units have.
 

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I can confirm the pod point model is easy to fit but you do need to follow the fitting instructions to a tee
 

Paignton pete

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As much as you can fit ev without the qual. I wouldn’t advise it. There is more to it than just cable calcs and sticking live neutral and earth in.

Also I would wait to fit them until a potential voltage difference device has been invented making them much safer.
 

happyhippydad

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As already covered you need to be in a scheme if installing home chargers as its notifiable.
For the olev schemes, you need to do acourse, city and guilds or a one day niceic thing. Then get manufacturer approval for each make via training days etc which is usually free. Some make you get the brands tester. Some makes will approve you for domestic chargers only if you arent NICEIC AC or equivalent.
Then apply to olev. Homecharge applications can be long as the paperwork is long. Workplace is much much easier.
You can fit one outside of olev schemes but as above you wont get the subsidy.
I have fitted 22 in the last year, between domestic and workplace ones. Its picking up and got more to quote for.
Thanks for that informative reply Gavin.

I'm guessing you have done the course then and also the training days for each manufacturer?

Also, how many of those 22 installations were domestic?
 

Gavin John Hyde

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Thanks for that informative reply Gavin.

I'm guessing you have done the course then and also the training days for each manufacturer?

Also, how many of those 22 installations were domestic?
It splits at roughly 65% Domestic 35% workplace installs.
The same chargers for each (rolec or evbox) usually, I install the EVBox chargers - Elvi which is brilliant and well priced with your trade/installer discount, its on par with a rolec smart one now as they had the smart stuff from day 1 where as rolec have increased prices.
otherwise if customer wants the bare minimum then it was always the olev approved rolec 32 amp units.
If you want more info let me know and when i get 5 minutes will send you some stuff over via pdf for you to have a read
 

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That would be really helpful Gavin..... any chance I could have a copy also please ;-)
Me as well please Gav, looks interesting, not that I'll be installing any , but just to keep up with things, if you don't mind that is.
 

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i will put some bits together over the next few days and then send to you all. Bare with me I am getting in late at moment as I am mid way through a rewire. so hot dirty and long days are routing for me.
 

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i will put some bits together over the next few days and then send to you all. Bare with me I am getting in late at moment as I am mid way through a rewire. so hot dirty and long days are routing for me.
Would also like a copy while you're at it. No rush though, when you have time. Cheers
 
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NICEIC day course booked ✅

Do a quite a few new builds so would be good to offer this as an option.
Will also be sending a mail shot to all our Customers past and present from the last 10 years.

Seems like a good money making opportunity to me
 

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as always. too much red tape and money for shiny-arsed suits. i won't be diong any and i'll stick with my smelly old Hiace diesel planet destroyer. so UP YOURS, green party tree-hugging vegans.
 

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NICEIC day course booked ✅

Do a quite a few new builds so would be good to offer this as an option.
Will also be sending a mail shot to all our Customers past and present from the last 10 years.

Seems like a good money making opportunity to me
I did the niceic course.
Do you realise you wont achieve a qualification.
Oleg will not recognise it.
It is just a course to prepare you for the city and guilds course.
You don’t need to do this course to do the city and guilds course.

I wasn’t happy when I turned up to find this out.
 

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