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been asked to install an extra socket in a house. does this need to be rcd protected if isn't already. Fuse board has rewire-able fuses its also only a short run

cheers
 
not as far as i know.
 
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long day! not reading post properly too!
just go ahead, who cares!!!!!.................i mean who needs to be certed these days anyway!.......not me going to court if u kill someone or burn their house down!
 
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there are 2 ways of doing this safely and compliant with regs. 1.remove the ring main L and N feed from the 30A fuse and it's neutral bar. then feed to an enclosed 30mA RCD, then into the ring so as to protect the whole ring, bearing in mind you can fit only one socket if it's spurred off the ring. 2. fit an RCD FCU by the socket you are spurring from to feed your new socket. max. load 13A). test and issue a MWC.

BUT, only undertake this work if you are competent to do it. other wise.........
 
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Rcd protect circuit in new encloser with mcb and run earths in. It's just when u tell clients it's not as simple as just adding a socket they think your trying to rib them off
 
look, just show them the regs book, how big it is and tell them that is what we have to comply to. if they want a cheap job then go round the local and ask somebody who wants to do it for £20 cash and job is a good un, they are asking for ur advice, u give it to them correctly irrevelant of the cost, if thats the price to comply then u have done ur job, whether u get it may be a different story?
 
Depends what use the socket-outlet is intended for.
If it's for general use by ordinary persons, then yes it has to be RCD protected (allthough the amendment due out later this year may make an exception for this).
If it's intended for a specific item of equipment (which could be a TV and Video) then no it doesn't have to be RCD protected.
The RCD protection if required can be provided by using an RCD socket-outlet, allthough protecting the whole circuit with an RCBO may be preferable.
 
guys

been asked to install an extra socket in a house. does this need to be rcd protected if isn't already. Fuse board has rewire-able fuses its also only a short run

cheers

Don't you just love these cans of worms created by the regs.

Given the input so far its obvious there are different interpretations on what is the way to do this. So if the customer gets 3 sparkies in and gets 3 different "suggestions" how is the average punter supposed to know which is correct?

Seemingly there are no penalties for home owners doing their own work (notifiable or not) and not complying with the regs......

Going down the route of "all new" sockets having RCD protection seems a little OTT, especially if its not in a special location or near one!

I heard a tutor on a course once say that extra sockets, not in special locations, and NOT on an outside wall didn't need a RCD!

Personally I'd go for the "spur" option with a RCD FCU or RCD socket, as the protection.
 
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Depends what use the socket-outlet is intended for.
If it's for general use by ordinary persons, then yes it has to be RCD protected (allthough the amendment due out later this year may make an exception for this).
If it's intended for a specific item of equipment (which could be a TV and Video) then no it doesn't have to be RCD protected.
The RCD protection if required can be provided by using an RCD socket-outlet, allthough protecting the whole circuit with an RCBO may be preferable.

A domestic property is always going classed as under use by ordinary persons. RCDs are always going to be needed in a domestic dwelling, mainly as the cable depths are never goiing to met the requirements for not needing the RCD.

Bring on the amendment
 
A domestic property is always going classed as under use by ordinary persons. RCDs are always going to be needed in a domestic dwelling, mainly as the cable depths are never goiing to met the requirements for not needing the RCD.

Bring on the amendment
Don't quite get your point?
The OP is asking whether the socket-outlet requires RCD protection, not the cables.
If the socket-outlet is not intended for general use, in a special location or for use by mobile equipment outdoors, then RCD protection is not required.
This is irrespective of whether it is under use by ordinary persons.
 
Eh ?? If a socket is for use of mobile equipment out doors or in a Special Location then RCD protection IS required.

As for it needing an RCD for general use indoors I think that as long as the cable install meets the requirements for Chase depth i.e Mechanical protection then RCD protection is NOT required.
 
You can see where the confusion comes into the interpretation of the regs.

I take it what you part (b) 411.3.3. Specific labelled suitably identified socket outletetc.

Personally until the new ammendements come out I still only go down the RCD route erring on safety.

Everyone will have there own interpretation on the red book and regs and that whats good about this forum .
 
What I was getting at is if hes adding a new socket then regardless of what its used for, the cable supplying it is going to be the deciding factor on if the circuit now requires RCD protection, that is unless it meets the criteria set out not to need protection.

Just sticking an RCD socket in aint going to satisfy the requirement for addition protection required by cable installation method
 

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