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Kam .... watch the 'Night with the stars' i posted with brian cox towards the end, Wolfgang Pauli's exclusion principle extends to every single electron in existence and not one can occupy the same energy state as any other so if you heat an object up and exite the electrons making them jump up a state every other electron in the universe adapts and adjust to ensure Pauli's exclusion principle is obeyed.
Yes its a mind numbing thought but we see the universe in a 3 dimension massive space hungry way but their are more dimensions which tie everything to everything else.
 
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I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it. I admire your conviction that you think it is true but it has no bearing on whether it is true. The theory is ambitious, implausible & technically fallible. The strength of the theory does not stand up to critical examination. It would mean the decommissioning of natural selection for starters, the very force that made us. So we will just have to agree to disagree. You may call me a sceptic. :thinking:
 

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I dont Judge you, each to their own and regarding said topic its a quantum world which behaves well beyond our nrmal understanding so even though its concept seems inplausable, ambitious and tehnically fallible its not a strong enough argument IMHO which are words i would more liken to judging a movie script and not a world where the rules dont obey our natural understanding. Im am neither suggesting your opinions are right or wrong but with regards to the scientific world we tend to go along with the theory's and principles that show experimental traits that consistently agree with the original theory.
The thoughts of an independent atom changing its fundemantal characteristics due to a remote event is a hard concept in any sense but its happening and been used today, quantum entaglement uses similar rules and effects and although in theory distance is irrelevent it has so far been experimentally proven to work at distances of well over 100km, the uncomfortable side to this is it means one of two things with both holding the highly unlikely train of thought. 1- either the information between the particles is travelling faster than light speed. 2-Everything has a direct link to everything else regardless of distance.
Now no1 clearly violates several areas of known quantum theory and No2 would hint at a complex extra dimension we are far from near to understanding but yet experimentally its the giving predicted results. The jury is out there on this one and because violation of the speed of light would mean a total revamp of what we think we understand then favour is pushed towards the theory everything is linked and effected no matter of distance.
 

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What about the practicality of the communication between the charged particles ?
If every charged particle was to have an effect on all others in the universe,then as far as I can imagine,the universe must be a single structure,possibly in multiple unknown dimensions in order for communication between each and every particle at the same moment in time

There has to be a prevailing theory of the general subject before thoughts on those structures or processes can be generated
Unfortunately, it's still way beyond in-comprehensive for me at this time
 

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This is where I get lost in the wackiness of it all. It would require an infrastructure and central information processing / control unit to control the complexity of it all. All matter, not just the electrons, would have to be subject to rhythmical procedure. Solutions to paradoxes and multiple dimensional systems would have to be found. Calculations having to do with their activities would have to be projected far into the future. The four dimensions of space-time which are intimately connected together would need to be separated from the other spatial dimensions. In fact, to overcome the issue with light speed, all matter within the infrastructure would have to leave all dimensions of space-time, be reorganized into a new stable coexistence, and then entered back at other space-time coordinates. Does space-time actually exist or is it just an illusion?
 

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Well.we know and it has been proved for a very long period,that time as we think of it is not linear

Time could be a human concept only and have no real place in the universe and its development
I sometimes think perhaps what we regard as time ,is nothing more than a measure of change

Our experience of life being the change to the structure of the relationship between all the atoms that make up our being
Most natural things seems to be cyclical,so why not the universe itself, it comes into being with the big bang.expands until it has sort of evaporated,ceased to exist and then restarts
Time being just a concept we use to measure that change and clouding our progress of understanding our existence during this particular change
 

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