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Help please.....Further to very useful info below from Luke, can anyone help me out please? I am looking into retraining to be an Electrician. I think in understand the various coursesrequired, listed below. But....when can you be classed as an Electrician and start to work independently as one? The JIB website talks about C&G 2360 and careersadvice.direct.gov talks about NVQ 2356?

Yours still confused,

Mark

Becoming an Electrician : Information
Information in Becoming an Electrician

There are manys to becoming an electrician, and it doesn't happen over night! any experienced electrician will say hes still learning, even after 20 years. The more you study and put in the work, the more you will get out.

Areas of Electrical work

Industrial, Commercial, Domestic (research which area which would most suit you, although electrical companies do the whole lot)

Ways to Get Qualifications

You could : Enrol on the local college course, full time? Part time? 2 nights a week?
Take a Short Course (List of training courses are listed in the "electrical Courses" Topic Area)
Get employeed as an electricians mate, progress from there and study at home, taking exams in your own time

Qualifications to be obtained

Majority of the qualifications are by city and guilds (these are the main ones listed)

City and Guilds 2330
City and Guilds 2382 (new 17th edition)
City and Guilds 2391 (testing and inspection)
City and Guilds 2392 (replaces the old 2400 design and verification course)
City and Guilds 2377 Pat testing, portable appliance testing

Eal Domestic Installers Q (this is a qualification, which meets the requirement of compentent persons scheme's)

Why do the eal domestic installer Qualification?

If you join a competent persons scheme, it just means you dont have to pre-notify building control. The work is still the same. The Eal domestic Qualification can be used as one of the requirements in registering with a competent persons scheme

(note: getting qualifications doesnt mean your competent, and it doesnt mean you can call yourself a sparky. A compentent person is someone who has the experience and has sound knowledge of electrics, who basically know what there doing, if the person doesn't know what he doing and carrys out the work, he will be breaching the electricity at work act)

Getting a Job
whether you go to college or take a short course, it does not guarantee a job, it depends on where you are in the country, obviously some areas need electricians more than other, and who is willing to take you on.
Like I said before, the more you try to get a job, the more chance you will find one. I personally sent 350 letters off, and was willing to travel miles to get a job.



Many Thanks to the members who's posts I've used, for this thread, any queries please post in the courses topic area ;)

Regards Luke
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pushrod

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. But....when can you be classed as an Electrician and start to work independently as one?
Regards Luke
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when you have spent in excess of about £1500 on courses, a few £100s on a competent person scheme, two and a half years or so at college, £1000+ on kit, plus a van, plus advertising and you feel confident and experienced enough to recognise and correct all the NO SWEARINGwork that other people have done and are prepared and qualified enough to put your name on your own certificates to say that an installation is correct and safe and you would say so in a court case. Probably missed some things out as well!

Mmmmh :eek:

edit : hey i don't swear - do anagrams of carp count as swearing?
 
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Marcosparco

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Thanks Pushrod. Obviously that will take a while! I've done quite a bit of DIY in the past - fitting new showers, moving sockets, extending circuits for kitchens etc - What are the thoughts on say getting the 'Part P' qualification as a way of getting started ina basic way, buiding up experince while studying 2330 etc?
 
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pushrod

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Thanks Pushrod. Obviously that will take a while! I've done quite a bit of DIY in the past - fitting new showers, moving sockets, extending circuits for kitchens etc - What are the thoughts on say getting the 'Part P' qualification as a way of getting started ina basic way, buiding up experince while studying 2330 etc?
Hi Mark
you sound a bit like me as i have done lots of practical things in the past (not always as good as they should have been i can now see). I am now in my first year at college doing a full- time 2330.
BTW Part P is not a qualification as such. It is a building regulation requiring workers to be competent (as far as i understand it). To show this you can join a competent person's scheme such as niceic or elecsa (there are others) however they are unlikely to want to accept you on one of these without some qualifications - you do also have to pass an assessment.
Ask away about college if you want. regards.
 
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Agree with the other chaps here.

Any scheme will want to see as a minimum, some sort of basic electrical theory qualification, like the 2330 before they will even accept you for assessment.

So you need to get started on the course ASAP.
 
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Marcosparco

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Thanks Pushrod & Jason,
I see your point about Part P - something to think about after PtI 2330? or Pt II? while looking at the other quals.
I contacted local college (Preston), and although helpful, it looks like you can only currently do 2330 2 eves a week, but they aren't sure what basis it will be on the Sept intake - thats if you can get on the course! I guess the advantage is I could carry on working current job, but it will be a drawn out process. Alternatively there are the fast track courses - Expensive and there don't seem to be many positive reviews. I would possibly pay for fasttrack if I heard good things! I see the logic in taking your time over something, but 2 eves a week is going to feel slow. But with the credit crunch, maybe things will have picked up by the time I ever pass!?

Next step - I might see f there are other local colleges who are more fast track than 2 eves a week.

Pushrod - what was/is your course like - is it days or eves?
 
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pushrod

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Hi Mark
My course is called full-time but it is only 3 days a week . Some of the lads on it work on the other days. We complete level 2 in one year. If you do it on evenings level 2 takes two years. Level 3 next year is full-time, but this time it is only 2 days a week:D. If you do it evenings it is still only one year. Next year i am going to do the 17th wiring regs exam as well, which is 6 evenings.
I enjoy the course even though i am considerably older than most of the other lads and i feel as if i have learnt a lot in recent months. To start with it was a little bit mickey mouse but it is all much more useful now. The exams are really pretty easy to pass, but obviously harder to get credits and distinctions on. I have the practical exam coming up soon which should be fairly easy as the lecturer is very helpful, but i always tend to get nervous before exams so i have my fingers crossed for that.
regards.
 
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Jamesy

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Hi all,

Pretty much doing the same route as most people on here-(2330 1 day a weekover 2 years).

I am 28 and I will be 30 when I pass so never too old to train, 30 I am told is the age when most people start seriously getting work in.

It is quite a long route but the rewards are worth reaping.

Peace out!
 

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