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A fuse keeps tripping over and over again. I have 100% narrowed it down to being on the "kitchen sockets" circuit and definitely not to do with overloading or any particular appliance being used.

Believe me, I have unplugged everything in the entire house and it still goes, had one thing plugged in at a time and it still goes, etc. It is not down to one particular socket or thing that's plugged in.

It started randomly in the middle of the night, we discovered it when we woke up. We have not done anything differently recently, nothing new plugged in, no new screws or nails put in walls.

What else could it be please and is it something I can fix myself / if not, will it be a quick/cheap job for an electrician to figure out and complete. I've already wasted £140 today on an electrician who did absolutely nothing.
 
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Welcome to the forums, hopefully a local member will be able to help you out.

And I hate to say it, but if the "electrician" wasn't able to help you, then it wasn't an electrician. Any spark worth their salts should be able to find a fault that keeps blowing a fuse.

To help members, maybe post a pic of your consumer unit.

And please don't keep energising the circuit. Doing so could result in the earth being destroyed for example which could lead to a dangerous situation.
 

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Please help!

A fuse keeps tripping over and over again. I have 100% narrowed it down to being on the "kitchen sockets" circuit and definitely not to do with overloading or any particular appliance being used.

Believe me, I have unplugged everything in the entire house and it still goes, had one thing plugged in at a time and it still goes, etc. It is not down to one particular socket or thing that's plugged in.

It started randomly in the middle of the night, we discovered it when we woke up. We have not done anything differently recently, nothing new plugged in, no new screws or nails put in walls.

What else could it be please and is it something I can fix myself / if not, will it be a quick/cheap job for an electrician to figure out and complete. I've already wasted £140 today on an electrician who did absolutely nothing.
Also there may be a number off appliances connected via fused connection units(FCUs). Things like dish washers, fridges etc.. could be causing the fault.

Failing that it's down to testing, testing and a bit more testing.
 

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Is it the fuse that is blowing, or is it that circuit that is causing the RCD to trip?

A picture of your consumer unit will help.
Don't see how an Electrician couldn't find the fault or narrow the issue down to know where the problem is.
 

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Specially as it seems the op has done most of the leg work! As per SC sorry op that wasn’t an electrician m...
 
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£140????? bolton is 40 miles away from me and i'd have charged less than that to remedy the fault. FFS.
Without knowing the cause of the fault you cannot possibly guarantee remedying the issue for less than £140.
 
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You are probably right, but it's misleading to the OP to suggest that it's an easy fix when it may or may not be, we don't know. And you have 2 hrs travel time to come out of your 140 quid allowance.
 

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2 gallons of diesel, 2 hours drive. that's £50 extra as opposed to a local call. so plenty beer tokens left out of £140.
 
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Is it the fuse that is blowing, or is it that circuit that is causing the RCD to trip?

A picture of your consumer unit will help.
Don't see how an Electrician couldn't find the fault or narrow the issue down to know where the problem is.
Most of the time it's the RCD, sometimes it's the specific kitchen sockets fuse. When I leave that fuse off the RCD does not trip.

I've uploaded a pic of the unit with RCD and fuse pointed out.

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Can you still use the downstairs sockets and upstairs lights when the RCD is on and the way No.6 is in the off position as the photo? this would give an indication that there is an L- earth fault on that circuit.
 

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Obvious question not yet asked but you've not been, or paid someone, to drill any hole recently?

Also check that absolutely everything is off, you've unplugged all sockets but switching off FCUs will narrow it down further.
 
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Did the electrician have any test kit as this at least should have narrowed the fault down to a location?
 

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Think the op had already narrowed it down to kitchen sockets Anthony...
 
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Can you still use the downstairs sockets and upstairs lights when the RCD is on and the way No.6 is in the off position as the photo? this would give an indication that there is an L- earth fault on that circuit.
Yes this is the way we have it at the moment, the kitchen sockets are off and everything else works.

If that's the case, is it an easy fix for an electrician?
 
If the RCD never trips with the kitchen sockets off then most probably a live-earth fault somewhere on that circuit.

Water could be the cause, do you have any external sockets, or perhaps lights fed via a fused connection unit? Leaky washing machine or dishwasher? Turn all isolators off for appliances in the kitchen, check cupboards for appliance sockets etc.

If none of that comes up trumps then I'm afraid you would need to get someone else in to test it. Were you at home when the other electrician came? What did he actually do and what did he tell you when he asked for payment?
 
Did the electrician have any test kit as this at least should have narrowed the fault down to a location?
Agreed, even if he could not have repaired the fault he could have narrowed it down to the faulty leg of cable and kept OP going with 2 radial circuits for time being.
 
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Obvious question not yet asked but you've not been, or paid someone, to drill any hole recently?

Also check that absolutely everything is off, you've unplugged all sockets but switching off FCUs will narrow it down further.
No holes drilled and no FCUs on this circuit.
 
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Think the op had already narrowed it down to kitchen sockets Anthony...
I was referring to the electrician doing an insulation resistance test
and narrowing the fault down between one socket leg and another.not kitchen as in room location.
 

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At least they didn't do what one spark did to a friend of mine :mad:namely told the customer they had a "faulty Earth" :mad::eek: and promptly disconnected it (CPCs) from a S/O :mad:, I got involved later when instead of the RCD (split load board) tripping the fault resulted in the MCB tripping as one of the legs of the RFC started burning up, they still charged my mate for half a day without even narrowing down the fault :(, some people shouldn't be let loose.
 
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If the RCD never trips with the kitchen sockets off then most probably a live-earth fault somewhere on that circuit.

Water could be the cause, do you have any external sockets, or perhaps lights fed via a fused connection unit? Leaky washing machine or dishwasher? Turn all isolators off for appliances in the kitchen, check cupboards for appliance sockets etc.

If none of that comes up trumps then I'm afraid you would need to get someone else in to test it. Were you at home when the other electrician came? What did he actually do and what did he tell you when he asked for payment?
Unfortunately it didn't happen while he was here so none if his tests showed anything up. He had a little beepy thing that he plugged in to various sockets which showed no faults and he mentioned testing something to do with the fuse box which also showed no faults.

He checked about outside lights but they are on other RCD, and disconnected some external plugs as he thought that could possibly be the problem.

Just unlucky that it tripped about 5 times before he arrived and 10 mins after he left but not while he was here.

It is v intermittent though. We woke up to it tripped on Saturday morning, turned it back on, it went again once, then was fine until waking up this morning. Sometimes it has been an hour or so in between, sometimes immediate.
 

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Old fridge or freezer with a failing compressor?
 

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Hi,just how long was the "electrician" there,if it tripped just before,and just after?
 

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Please help!

A fuse keeps tripping over and over again. I have 100% narrowed it down to being on the "kitchen sockets" circuit and definitely not to do with overloading or any particular appliance being used.

Believe me, I have unplugged everything in the entire house and it still goes, had one thing plugged in at a time and it still goes, etc. It is not down to one particular socket or thing that's plugged in.

It started randomly in the middle of the night, we discovered it when we woke up. We have not done anything differently recently, nothing new plugged in, no new screws or nails put in walls.

What else could it be please and is it something I can fix myself / if not, will it be a quick/cheap job for an electrician to figure out and complete. I've already wasted £140 today on an electrician who did absolutely nothing.
Firstly I concur with the others this person who ripped you off was certainly not an Electrician, or if he was he needs to give up charging people for his work, a disgraceful outcome from a so called professional.
Did he do any testing with meters etc, sorry to sound negative, but it pees me off no end when some Muppet turns up has a look around, charges the earth and does a runner, certainly hope a forum member close by will be able to help you out, please let us know how you get on, oh one more thing, was this person recommended to you, and can you recall if he was a member of one of the Competent Persons Schemes (NICEIC, NAPIT, STROMA, or any of the others) anyhow good luck. If so you may get some recourse if he is a member of a CPS, by complaining to them, Trading standards is another route for you yo try.
 

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Hi - can you confirm where your boiler is connected - is it off that MCB too?
 

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Intermittent fault, could be water as suggested, or rodents??

With the rcd off, does the kitchen breaker feel soft to turn on, more so than the others?

This doesn’t find any underlying problems that caused the trip in the first place, but it does make the mcb trip more frequent.
 
Night time ,
(what was weather like that night ?-something that wakes light sleepers like me)
Condensation ,wind blown rain
, rodents love the night when they cannot hear anyone moving about !
.... Do get testing done if rodent signs ! ...
(that time of year-- Attic - attack)
 
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Pointless guessing.
 

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I say get the same bloke back to earn his money, if it’s problematic now he should, with the aid of a tester (if he has one) find the source of the fault.
 
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Please help!

A fuse keeps tripping over and over again. I have 100% narrowed it down to being on the "kitchen sockets" circuit and definitely not to do with overloading or any particular appliance being used.

Believe me, I have unplugged everything in the entire house and it still goes, had one thing plugged in at a time and it still goes, etc. It is not down to one particular socket or thing that's plugged in.

It started randomly in the middle of the night, we discovered it when we woke up. We have not done anything differently recently, nothing new plugged in, no new screws or nails put in walls.

What else could it be please and is it something I can fix myself / if not, will it be a quick/cheap job for an electrician to figure out and complete. I've already wasted £140 today on an electrician who did absolutely nothing.
Never heard of a tripping fuse.
 

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Never heard of a tripping fuse.
Beth is probably a non electrical person, and to Her an MCB is a fuse a mistake many a home owner makes in their descriptions of all things within a CU.
 

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Most of the time it's the RCD, sometimes it's the specific kitchen sockets fuse. When I leave that fuse off the RCD does not trip.

I've uploaded a pic of the unit with RCD and fuse pointed out.

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I haven't read the entire thread, so what size in Amps is the "Fuse no 6" the fuse that is tripping, something like 6A; 16A; 20A; 32A, etc maybe helpful to know what we are dealing with.
 

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How did you come by this "Electrician" word of mouth or something like "trust a trader" or "my builder" type organisation?
 
£140 sounds like an emergency callout agency style, you agree the charges before they send someone out, ripoff. Many found on the internet, try a recommendation from people you know.
 
Previous house had intermittent fault - drove us mad... tripped usually early hours... turned out the dishwasher leak 2 months earlier had finally seeped through tiles and screed enough to get moisture inside a hidden junction box laid in the insulation below the gf slab. The condensation level increasing during the night was just enough. It looked like the builder had smacked through the ring main conduit and cable, bodged a repair and concreted it in! Having traced the dodgy leg we bypassed it and only found the “repair” nice and moist months later when we took part of the slab out for an extension!
 

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Previous house had intermittent fault - drove us mad... tripped usually early hours... turned out the dishwasher leak 2 months earlier had finally seeped through tiles and screed enough to get moisture inside a hidden junction box laid in the insulation below the gf slab. The condensation level increasing during the night was just enough. It looked like the builder had smacked through the ring main conduit and cable, bodged a repair and concreted it in! Having traced the dodgy leg we bypassed it and only found the “repair” nice and moist months later when we took part of the slab out for an extension!
don't you just love bodge-it the builder. too tight arsed to pay a spark to fix it right.
 

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don't you just love bodge-it the builder. too tight arsed to pay a spark to fix it right.
Don't have a kin clue do they?
 

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I’d be embarrassed to charge if I couldn’t find it!
If I couldn’t fix it I wouldn’t charge for it
 
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