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TITLE SHOULD BE GOBSMACKED... (Sorted that for you re' -'Darkwood')

Hi all, been a while since I posted.

I went to a job today and removed a socket for inspection. All I done was removed the socket screws, the terminations were not altered at all, literally just took the front screws out so I could the wiring.

I get a phone call, ten minutes after I've left the property, from my boss telling me I need to put in a minor works certificate, as I removed the front screws?! I cleared with him that I didn't adjust any terminals, only removed the front screws. Still said we had to fill in the minor works.

Am I right, or has he gone nuts?
 
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The whole reason terminals are required to be accessible, is so they nabe tightened up every so often, because terminals become loose over time.
This is maintenance.
MEIWCs are for alterations or additions to existing circuits, not for maintenance.
 

Charlie_

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Was it a commercial job?
Might not be his idea could just be the policy of the client, your boss probably just wants paying
 

Pete999

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TITLE SHOULD BE GOBSMACKED...

Hi all, been a while since I posted.

I went to a job today and removed a socket for inspection. All I done was removed the socket screws, the terminations were not altered at all, literally just took the front screws out so I could the wiring.

I get a phone call, ten minutes after I've left the property, from my boss telling me I need to put in a minor works certificate, as I removed the front screws?! I cleared with him that I didn't adjust any terminals, only removed the front screws. Still said we had to fill in the minor works.

Am I right, or has he gone nuts?
Sounds like your "Boss" is a bit of a Jobsworth and has no idea of the regulations regarding certification, is he an Electrician type person, or someone who thinks he is? a sort of boil in the bag one.
 

littlespark

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He will need some form of paperwork for the client to prove you have been and inspected it.

Was that all the job was? What was the reason to check that socket? Intermittent power, or heating up?

Did you check the tightness of the terminals? If so, was the power off?

Yes, waste of a cert, but do as boss says. Just write “visual inspection only” on it in bold black pen
 

snowhead

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As above many times, it's most likely it's the customer that wants proof.
Somebody somewhere wants to cover themselves, may an employee has claimed they've had a shock.
Maybe another contractor is claiming the faulty socket has damaged their equipment.

As an employee it doesn't matter if it seems pointless.

However the joke in the whole thing is that the certificate is going to be signed by a trainee, so it's worthless.
 
...I get a phone call, ten minutes after I've left the property, from my boss telling me I need to put in a minor works certificate, as I removed the front screws?! I cleared with him that I didn't adjust any terminals, only removed the front screws. Still said we had to fill in the minor works.

Am I right, or has he gone nuts?
I think the clue is in the question... "...my boss..." I'd just do as I was asked. If you feel that strongly about it, maybe look for another boss ?

A mate of mine used to work for a large hospital maintenance company... he was scolded once for tightening a loose plate screw ! He thought he was doing a good job... but was told that he had to first log the fault, then a job number would be issued, then he could tighten it !
 

darkwood

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If your boss is open minded to opinion and it won't get you into trouble, I would put his attention to this thread, my opinion is 'what work done' ? you merely inspected behind a socket, you may no alteration or replacements that may warrant a minor works.

Looking at other replies, it may be the case that the customer has asked for a paper trail here, maybe just ask the boss why a minor works was needed.
 

GBDamo

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The only two rules an employee needs to know
rule 1 - The boss is always right.
rule 2 - If the boss is wrong see rule number 1.
Quite often bosses are not experienced in the field in which they manage, seen it numerous times they are fresh uni grads in some unrelated subject.

Your relationship should be about cooperating and understanding. Often managers are crap at explaining why they want something. Sometimes they are unaware and need educating.

If you approach them with confidence in a cooperative manner you may find they change their minds or they may give you the background that explains their decision.

Many times I've challenged bosses and been thanked for it, it's a tricky one as you don't want them to feel like you are trying to undermine them, rather help them.

I've always found if you go in with a better, cheaper, easier solution then you will become a more valued employee.

If you go in just saying it can't be done, isn't needed or that your manager is wrong then expect push back.

Don't ever challenge a boss in front of others unless invited to do so, that never ends well.

A good boss is interested in making your life as easy as possible, this way you get more done.

A bad boss is about using their position to salve some personal insecurities, these are almost impossible to please so best not to try, keep your head down and nose clean and stay off their radar.

Managing managers is a valuable skill to develope, that doesn't mean playing them rather understanding their needs and trying to fulfil them.
 

GBDamo

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The only two rules an employee needs to know
rule 1 - The boss is always right.
rule 2 - If the boss is wrong see rule number 1.
Quite often bosses are not experienced in the field in which they manage, seen it numerous times they are fresh uni grads in some unrelated subject.

Your relationship should be about cooperating and understanding. Often managers are crap at explaining why they want something. Sometimes they are unaware and need educating.

If you approach them with confidence in a cooperative manner you may find they change their minds or they may give you the background that explains their decision.

Many times I've challenged bosses and been thanked for it, it's a tricky one as you don't want them to feel like you are trying to undermine them, rather help them.

I've always found if you go in with a better, cheaper, easier solution then you will become a more valued employee.

If you go in just saying it can't be done, isn't needed or that your manager is wrong then expect push back.

Don't ever challenge a boss in front of others unless invited to do so, that never ends well.

A good boss is interested in making your life as easy as possible, this way you get more done.

A bad boss is about using their position to salve some personal insecurities, these are almost impossible to please so best not to try, keep your head down and nose clean and stay off their radar.

Managing managers is a valuable skill to develope, that doesn't mean playing them rather understanding their needs and trying to fulfil them.
 

ferg

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Does it need to be done according to the regs? ... No.

Should you do it because your boss asked you to? ... Absolutely.

As above he may have other reasons for asking you to do it and he's your boss. :)
 

telectrix

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Quite often bosses are not experienced in the field in which they manage, seen it numerous times they are fresh uni grads in some unrelated subject.

Your relationship should be about cooperating and understanding. Often managers are crap at explaining why they want something. Sometimes they are unaware and need educating.

If you approach them with confidence in a cooperative manner you may find they change their minds or they may give you the background that explains their decision.

Many times I've challenged bosses and been thanked for it, it's a tricky one as you don't want them to feel like you are trying to undermine them, rather help them.

I've always found if you go in with a better, cheaper, easier solution then you will become a more valued employee.

If you go in just saying it can't be done, isn't needed or that your manager is wrong then expect push back.

Don't ever challenge a boss in front of others unless invited to do so, that never ends well.

A good boss is interested in making your life as easy as possible, this way you get more done.

A bad boss is about using their position to salve some personal insecurities, these are almost impossible to please so best not to try, keep your head down and nose clean and stay off their radar.

Managing managers is a valuable skill to develope, that doesn't mean playing them rather understanding their needs and trying to fulfil them.
informative post but do we really need essays? Lol.
 

Wilko

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What’s Brevity?
Is that ‘Britain’s exit from the love of mcvities’?
I adore digestives so I vote REMAIN!
Now you’ve done it -
McVitage - the number of McVities that can be consumed in one sitting
 

Tony Reidy

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TITLE SHOULD BE GOBSMACKED... (Sorted that for you re' -'Darkwood')

Hi all, been a while since I posted.

I went to a job today and removed a socket for inspection. All I done was removed the socket screws, the terminations were not altered at all, literally just took the front screws out so I could the wiring.

I get a phone call, ten minutes after I've left the property, from my boss telling me I need to put in a minor works certificate, as I removed the front screws?! I cleared with him that I didn't adjust any terminals, only removed the front screws. Still said we had to fill in the minor works.

Am I right, or has he gone nuts?[/QUOTE personally if I have not altered a circuit I'm not putting my name on it
 

Tony Reidy

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TITLE SHOULD BE GOBSMACKED... (Sorted that for you re' -'Darkwood')

Hi all, been a while since I posted.

I went to a job today and removed a socket for inspection. All I done was removed the socket screws, the terminations were not altered at all, literally just took the front screws out so I could the wiring.

I get a phone call, ten minutes after I've left the property, from my boss telling me I need to put in a minor works certificate, as I removed the front screws?! I cleared with him that I didn't adjust any terminals, only removed the front screws. Still said we had to fill in the minor works.

Am I right, or has he gone nuts?[/QUOTE personally if I have not altered a circuit I'm not putting my name on it
 
Times have changed - maintenance contracts need evidence of work. It’s the way of the financial world now. Even the hospital example was good, to justify what was needed and done. To keep the contract another year evidence of work done is needed. It’s a shame. I would do the cert.
 

Pete999

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Jobsworth rule OK, but in reality if the Bosses want paperwork, and you want to keep your job, why complain , just do it for the boys, you know it's the right thing to do, don't you? You will still pick up yer bunce at the end of the month so why rock the boat, just think of yer bank balance, after all you wont be breaking any rules or regulations, might be worthless, but if that's what they want, just do it, you know it makes sense.
 
A mate of mine used to work for a large hospital maintenance company... he was scolded once for tightening a loose plate screw ! He thought he was doing a good job... but was told that he had to first log the fault, then a job number would be issued, then he could tighten it !
I used to work for the NHS. A fluorescent tube in my office started to flicker so I called maintenance. Later that day a guy came round and had a look - that is he switched it on and confirmed that it was flickering. The next morning someone else delivered a new tube - that is he left it propped up against a filing cabinet, still in its box. Later on, another guy came with a ladder and replaced the tube - Let there be light... The next day the original guy came by and checked that the tube was working okay - he switched it off an on.

And people wonder why the NHS is short of money...:(
 
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I think the clue is in the question... "...my boss..." I'd just do as I was asked. If you feel that strongly about it, maybe look for another boss ?

A mate of mine used to work for a large hospital maintenance company... he was scolded once for tightening a loose plate screw ! He thought he was doing a good job... but was told that he had to first log the fault, then a job number would be issued, then he could tighten it !
Need to keep the calls numbers up to keep the contract going also more than X amount of calls logged then it could be that it hits a higher tier and further payments are paid/charged.
 
They may need a MWC for insurance purposes.
Surely a written sentence on the attendance paperwork outlining what was done should suffice? Then its legal.. unless there's no space for it. I just write on my invoice.. but then I'm S/E.
 

Pete999

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I used to work for the NHS. A fluorescent tube in my office started to flicker so I called maintenance. Later that day a guy came round and had a look - that is he switched it on and confirmed that it was flickering. The next morning someone else delivered a new tube - that is he left it propped up against a filing cabinet, still in its box. Later on, another guy came with a ladder and replaced the tube - Let there be light... The next day the original guy came by and checked that the tube was working okay - he switched it off an on.

And people wonder why the NHS is short of money...:(
From my experience it's the same with most F/M outfits, " jobs not complete until it's been inspected and the paperwork is submitted"
 
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Octopus

Some companies charge per certificate .......... no certificate, no charge.
 
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