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the lights in my living room are on their last legs, probably about 20 years old so they have had a good innings. so i'm on the market for some new lights, nothing too fancy but i'd like ones that last, so CFL i think. last time i bought a CFL lamp it was crap, flickered like mad on startup and it was a horrible bright white light. is there somebody that makes a flicker free warm white CFL lamp & light setup??

i've looked through several catalogues, and several shops online now for the past hour and none of them mention flicker free startup so i'll assume they flicker! anybody reccomend some god brands to look at? i might be persuaded to go LED if theres some sort of garauntee on the life of the lamps, cos im my opinion at the moment LED is a complete con. loads of claims that they will last forever and they don't last any longer than a standard halogen or sometimes less
 
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ExArmy

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well whats good then? i've never had to replace a cfl lamp yet, thats why i think they are good.
 

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half the lights in ours came from car boot sales. couple of chandeliers (not huge ones like the trotters sketch), some G9 halogens, some with candle bulbs. sure you can find some decent ones from specialist lighting suppliers. electric center do a small range.
 
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I regularly install JCC LED7 downlighters. I have 12 in my own house. The lamps are built in and they claim 75,000 hours life. So thats 5 hours a day for about 40 years without changing a lamp/fitting. They are bright, nice light, dont flicker,7 watts and cost about £40 to a guy in the know.
 

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The nature of the beast mate, CFL's will flicker at some rate (some are higher frequency these days tho). What type of fitting is it to replace ceiling/wall or both?

Edit: energy saving bulbs here: http://www.energylightbulbs.co.uk/
 
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vernam616

Halers or robus led fittings, Halers have 7 year guarantee, not bad for £30 each
 
I have a retail shop as well as being a sarks and reglarly supply light fittings. If you were a customer that had just come in and asked 'I want some new lights' but didn't know what exactly you wanted then I'd give you a couple of books and tell you to come back with a short list of what you like.
Have a look through the Endon range as they have a great selection, don't cost the earth but aren't cheap tat. Home :: Endon Lighting
Personally I quite like CFL (sorry teletrix) If you get a decent make, ie not supermarket or pound shop, they can give good start up light, good lifespan and energy savings but you get what you pay for. I've had good results from Crompton, Megaman, Wellco for small candle types and recently I've started stocking Dencons Lyvia eco range which are really small for the light output. I sell hundreds of CFL's a month to picky old dears and don't get any complaints so they can't be that bad. It seems the great majority of new fittings use halogen capsules which I think is a backwards step. There's usually loads of the bloody things on one fitting, all running 40W and very hot. I'd rather use a maximum of 3 cfl candles to do the same job. The 'horrible bright white light' you've had before just means you bought cool or daylight cfl's instead of warm white.
 
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nathandance1996

cfls are horrible things, the best for room lighting is a full size fluorescent light (3-6ft), you can get them in cool or warm white, they don't cast shadows and it's as bright as day, don't buy those poncy decorative fittings, they burn out all the time and are about as bright as a match.
 
cfls are horrible things, the best for room lighting is a full size fluorescent light (3-6ft), you can get them in cool or warm white, they don't cast shadows and it's as bright as day, don't buy those poncy decorative fittings, they burn out all the time and are about as bright as a match.
I can assume you have a lovely looking 6' twin fluorescent fitting plonked in the middle of you louge ceiling then....... ;0)
 
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Philpot

Ceiling rose, flex, lampholder,,,,,,,,nice shade,,,,,, sounds ok to me:sunny:
 
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sedgy34

try ikea lol 2mins to pick a light 5 hrs to fit it
 

ExArmy

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so far i've found a few that look acceptable, all far too expensive (£75 per light?). so i fitted a batten holder out of the van, it will do for now!
 
You get what you pay for. If they were quality, dedicated cfl lights and that was a retail price inc VAT then it was quite reasonable. You don't get good, cheap, anything.

If that was a trade price exc VAT then they might be a bit pricey. When you compare £75 to six or eight LED downlighters it starts to look like good value for money.......
 

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You get what you pay for. If they were quality, dedicated cfl lights and that was a retail price inc VAT then it was quite reasonable. You don't get good, cheap, anything.

If that was a trade price exc VAT then they might be a bit pricey. When you compare £75 to six or eight LED downlighters it starts to look like good value for money.......
no that was just fittings for 2 X E27 lamps, in which i would put 2 CFL lamps. i couldnt find any dedicated CFL light fittings that stated they were flicker free on startup, infact i couldn't actually find any listed on a website where i could just buy them, i had to find a supplier first which was no easy task! i've just got no time for all this searching at the minute ill just make do with the batten holder.
 
What are you loking for? Flush bowl, pendant drop, chain drop, 3 arm, 5 arm, spotlight, white, brass, brushed chrome, chrome. Have you got a link to the ones you liked? I might be able to find something similar.
 

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if you could, that would be great. i've got quite low ceilings and i'm tall so anything that fits flush to the ceiling would be ideal, not looking for anything too fancy, in general i'm not that fussed about how it looks!
 

ExArmy

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what am i looking for in the description that will let me know it's not going to flicker upon startup?
 
TBH I wouldn't be worried what the hell they do on startup. As long as after that second or so they give a comfortable, warm light and are long life/low energy. 28W 2D or 2x cfl lamps would be my choice in a flush fitting. Endon have a large range of this type of light.
 
cfls are horrible things, the best for room lighting is a full size fluorescent light (3-6ft), you can get them in cool or warm white, they don't cast shadows and it's as bright as day, don't buy those poncy decorative fittings, they burn out all the time and are about as bright as a match.
He wants a fitting for his house, most likely his living room. Don't you think a 6ft fluorescent fitting would look sh*t?
 
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nathandance1996

He wants a fitting for his house, most likely his living room. Don't you think a 6ft fluorescent fitting would look sh*t?
a slimline t5 tube that is flush to the ceiling shouldn't be any more noticeable than any other type of light fitting.
 
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nathandance1996

He wants a fitting for his house, most likely his living room. Don't you think a 6ft fluorescent fitting would look sh*t?
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doesn't have too, although these lamps are incredibly rare.
 
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I use CFL a lot but there is a trick to putting them in ? Let me explain customer says they are too dull so I go and put one in and they say great how did you do it well you need to size up ? Let me explain a 60 watt lamp = a 11watt CFL well no actually it = 50 watts hence why its too dull. So I fit a 15watt CFL meant to = 75 watts but more like 65 watts plus I advise that incandescent lamps just expire but CFL fade so when you see it going black around the base start to think about changing it.
 
I use CFL a lot but there is a trick to putting them in ? Let me explain customer says they are too dull so I go and put one in and they say great how did you do it well you need to size up ? Let me explain a 60 watt lamp = a 11watt CFL well no actually it = 50 watts hence why its too dull. So I fit a 15watt CFL meant to = 75 watts but more like 65 watts plus I advise that incandescent lamps just expire but CFL fade so when you see it going black around the base start to think about changing it.
Bang on, I always fit the brightest one I can get to fit. (mostly 20w) Stops the moaning straight off. For anyone who struggles with their eyesight, I stock a 30w daylight recommended by the RNIB. Try saying that isn't bright enough. (Although it's a large lamp)
 
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nathandance1996

Bang on, I always fit the brightest one I can get to fit. (mostly 20w) Stops the moaning straight off. For anyone who struggles with their eyesight, I stock a 30w daylight recommended by the RNIB. Try saying that isn't bright enough. (Although it's a large lamp)
I have found that the brightest bulb I can find (from normal shops) is a 20w spiral cfl, it's much brighter than a 100w incandescent although it takes a little while to come on.
 

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