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It seems that Green Deal plans can't be approved until January so no-one is expecting installations before Feb at the earliest, including the utility companies who are of course providing the funding through ECO.
One of the key providers (not mark group) commented today that converting householders is going to be very difficult, they are hoping to get 1 in 10 conversion rate. They are experienced project managers and so far have spoken the most sense outside this forum. They ran a Green Deal pilot and found surprise surprise that a lot of properties just weren't suitable. They gave an example of an 80's house with cavity and wall insulation but an older boiler and controls. Yes they would benefit from a newer boiler and controls but they couldn't get the savings to meet the golden rule. In their words - "I wish householders would get a move on and get their lofts topped up for free while they can. By the time GD comes in they will be paying £1,000 for a £350 job because of all the associated costs."
There's still a lot to resolve regarding payment for the GDA's, one firm is offering £75 - guess what type of firm that is! There's an interesting parallel in Atlanta where they charge the customer $380 and the utility company refunds 50% if the customer goes ahead. Their conversion rate is much greater because there's a greater commitment from the customer in the first place.
Meanwhile the bull**** bandits have already moved in and are boasting about producing 1,000 leads a day once GD has started.
Of course whatever happens the government will be able to claim victory because of all of the social housing providers who have huge retrofit rolling programmes that they find it very difficult to fund. Green Deal is a gift for them and they are ready to go - low hanging fruit but government gets to claim success.
MEP - :nonod:
One of the key providers (not mark group) commented today that converting householders is going to be very difficult, they are hoping to get 1 in 10 conversion rate. They are experienced project managers and so far have spoken the most sense outside this forum. They ran a Green Deal pilot and found surprise surprise that a lot of properties just weren't suitable. They gave an example of an 80's house with cavity and wall insulation but an older boiler and controls. Yes they would benefit from a newer boiler and controls but they couldn't get the savings to meet the golden rule. In their words - "I wish householders would get a move on and get their lofts topped up for free while they can. By the time GD comes in they will be paying £1,000 for a £350 job because of all the associated costs."
There's still a lot to resolve regarding payment for the GDA's, one firm is offering £75 - guess what type of firm that is! There's an interesting parallel in Atlanta where they charge the customer $380 and the utility company refunds 50% if the customer goes ahead. Their conversion rate is much greater because there's a greater commitment from the customer in the first place.
Meanwhile the bull**** bandits have already moved in and are boasting about producing 1,000 leads a day once GD has started.
Of course whatever happens the government will be able to claim victory because of all of the social housing providers who have huge retrofit rolling programmes that they find it very difficult to fund. Green Deal is a gift for them and they are ready to go - low hanging fruit but government gets to claim success.
MEP - :nonod: