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blenham

I am a fairly new electrician and recently received a call out from an elderly client who says that on 6 occassions over the last 5 years there have been numerous water leaks transpiring from the flat above hers. She says on at least 3 occassions the water was pouring out from the spotlight (light pendant).

This has caused 3 different short circuits resulting to no light and has begun to effect the rest of the installation such as the the wall sockets in the kitchen blown and not working.

In terms of fault finding how do I determine if it is the water leaks which have
1) caused actual damage to the lighting circuit
2) any other tests to carry out appropriate in this case
3) what sort of remedial work is recommended
4) How the water leaks have effected the wall sockets
5) what are the implications if the problem is not fixed/solved

All input is greatly appreciated
 

trev

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You need to at the very least IR the circuit (s). I'd also have a word with the people upstairs and get them to have their plumbing and roofing checked out otherwise this will just keep happening. It sounds like the place is leaking like a sieve mate it needs to be watertight
 

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are these flats rented? if so a word with the landlord is the way forward. there may be a problem with the plumbing, or it might just be stupidity of tenant upstairs. either way, it needs sorting out.
 

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As above but also look at corrosion on the circuits. Location of accessories - does her story fit? If the tenants have PL insurance she might be able to claim against them for her repairs (might).
 
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what are the implications if the problem is not fixed/solved
It will get worse and possibly kill someone?

Try this, go to the property above and tell them they must turn off their water supply as there is a potentially lethal situation occuring downstairs. Give them a number for an emergency plumber and request they call immediately.

Isolate any offending circuits in your clients property. Until the water issue is resolved there's not a great deal you can do.

You could pick up a fair amount of work on this, what type of consumer unit is fitted? Does it have RCD protection on it?

It's probably their sink or bath being overfilled. My son went through a stage of doing this the little so and so lol

If you don't put polite pressure on the property above then you won't get anything done so may as well walk away.

Water + Electricity is one cocktail I prefer to decline
 
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I've been in this situation before with my Aunt, the property above had a knackered washing machine that keep pouring water out, which then came through the ceiling, and down the walls etc.

On the second occasion I had a heated chat, on the third occasion I took his main cut out fuse out. I put it back when we had carried the washing machine outside and put it out front for the council to collect.

Oh what they all said! Plus they need to start talking with upstairs about their insurance, but be careful, if an insurance company get involved they might use their own electrician.
 
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but be careful, if an insurance company get involved they might use their own electrician.
That was exactly my thoughts, do the work, get paid and then mention that they should send the bill to the insurance company ;)
 

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Trouble is it's a waste of time and money if you do'nt get the source of the problem fixed. Your customer really needs to talk to the upstairs owners/ tenants or landlords , or get someone to do it on her behalf.It's probably being caused by the symptoms described in other replies , maybe just lack of consideration . If the upstairs occupants are unaware - there is nothing they can do , they must be given the chance to put it right, certainly before you do any remedial work. Possibly all the cabling will run under their floorboards anyway, it could turn out a very complicated issue.
 

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That was exactly my thoughts, do the work, get paid and then mention that they should send the bill to the insurance company ;)
Well said 1SC, this is an emergency call out to a potential life threatening situation and I bet the op can get there faster than the insurance company spark. Do the work, list everything that you have done including test results before and after, that way the insurance company can't question your bill.
 
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blenham

You need to at the very least IR the circuit (s). I'd also have a word with the people upstairs and get them to have their plumbing and roofing checked out otherwise this will just keep happening. It sounds like the place is leaking like a sieve mate it needs to be watertight
Thanks Trevor..can you pls explain what IR means or stands for. The plumbing work at the upstairs flat has been fixed she says
 
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If you don't know what an IR test is you shouldn't be touching an installation
 
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blenham

If you don't know what an IR test is you shouldn't be touching an installation



I knew what insulation resistant test meant. There was a few typos in trevors original reply --
 
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I'm gonna get shot for saying it but this situation only highlights my thought's on the fact there needs to be some sort of 'mentor' type system in place people need to go on after completeing a short DI course to give the newly 'qualified' DI a better chance and understanding of Electrics in the real world.

Not having a dig at the OP or any new short course DI as many are more than capable of installing to regs but a 'mentor' system of sorts would help the new DI's alot
 
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alarm man

I'm gonna get shot for saying it but this situation only highlights my thought's on the fact there needs to be some sort of 'mentor' type system in place people need to go on after completeing a short DI course to give the newly 'qualified' DI a better chance and understanding of Electrics in the real world.

Not having a dig at the OP or any new short course DI as many are more than capable of installing to regs but a 'mentor' system of sorts would help the new DI's alot
agree,but its been in place for years,aka apprentice/qualified spark,they just mess around with the titles these days.di was a detective inspector when i was youngin,but times move on i suppose
 

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You need to at the very least IR the circuit (s). I'd also have a word with the people upstairs and get them to have their plumbing and roofing checked out otherwise this will just keep happening. It sounds like the place is leaking like a sieve mate it needs to be watertight
No typo's in that statement mate and no edit has been done.

If you don't know what IR means leave it alone and get some one in that knows how to inspect and test.
 
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blenham

I did the IR test - coming up as water digress in the cables and circuits are corroded
 

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I did the IR test - coming up as water digress in the cables and circuits are corroded
[h=2]di·gress[/h]   [dih-gres, dahy-] Show IPA
verb (used without object)1.to deviate or wander away from the main topic or purpose inspeaking or writing; depart from the principal line ofargument, plot, study, etc.

2.Archaic . to turn aside.

I think maybe you mean INgress ....... It IS important to use the correct terminology - especially if you're considering taking the 2391 exam ....... but maybe I'm digressing here !!!



 
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I did the IR test - coming up as water digress in the cables and circuits are corroded
What readings did you get?? The tester will not display water digress on the screen :smile5:
 
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blenham

That's not what you said at all?
I can see this forum is run by a bunch of bullies who offer no relevant sound advice to a situation. But read into my words,turn them around in the attempt to riddicule me.
 
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can see this forum is run by a bunch of bullies who offer no relevant sound advice to a situation. But read into my words,turn them around in the attempt to riddicule me.

Did the water coming up in the cables digress the IIR test



Now I have turned your words around for you:thumbsup


First it was Trevors post had a number of typos in it and now we're turning your words around?

Sorry I'm off to bed, you clearly haven't a clue and I am starting to get rather irritated now.

Good night all:thumbsup
 
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blenham

The lady says her light bulbs keep blowing every week and that the lights take a long time to come on when switched on.
 
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