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So I am going to get some quotes for a house re-wire, The consumer unit is 6 Ways.

I am a but confused with the following:

Now who informs the council after the work is done? The electrician or myself?

Also what standards should I ask for? NICEIC or NAPIT
 
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The electrician informs building control.
As long as they are qualified and registered for Part P it does't matter who they are registered with
 

JLeague

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The electrician informs building control.
As long as they are qualified and registered for Part P it does't matter who they are registered with
Thanks. Do I get a copy of the report / letter they send to the council?
 

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afaik, you get a completion cert. from council, usually about a month after the job is completed. on completion of the works, you should receive a EIC ( electrical installation certificate) directly from the electrician. this usually gets handed over on settlement of the invoice.
 

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afaik, you get a completion cert. from council, usually about a month after the job is completed. on completion of the works, you should receive a EIC ( electrical installation certificate) directly from the electrician. this usually gets handed over on settlement of the invoice.
Thanks.

So whose name do I put down on the Certificate as both myself and my wife are on the Council Tax Bill but the house is actually in my name.
 

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You get naught from LBC. Whichever Scheme your electrician is in, it will send you a Compliance Certificate, and the notifiable work is registered with your LBC.

Most Schemes have on-line certification, the Compliance Cert is automatically generated when the electrician completes the EIC.

If the electrician doesn’t use their software, he/she will still use their on-line process to file the Compliance Certificate.

The Compliance Certificate, doesn’t require householder name, it relates to the address. If there‘s a landlord, it will go to them.

Edit; less of course, the electrician is not in a Scheme, then it gets more complicated.
 

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From the NICEIC you get the Part P bit after midnight the day the form is completed.
I would expect payment in line with presentation of the electrical cert.
 
This has got me thinking... what does the LABC do with the notification ? Just file it ? I know that when you do a 'Local Authority Search' on house purchase, there's no mention of any notifiable work being recorded. Can't think of any other uses.

Just wondering if it's all a total waste of taxpayers money... and just a bureaucratic charade.
 
This has got me thinking... what does the LABC do with the notification ? Just file it ? I know that when you do a 'Local Authority Search' on house purchase, there's no mention of any notifiable work being recorded. Can't think of any other uses.

Just wondering if it's all a total waste of taxpayers money... and just a bureaucratic charade.
We have had requests from solicitors for copies of EIC's because they have picked up that notifiable work has been carried out and the vendor has lost the paperwork. Presumably the solicitors have got that info from BC?
 
This has got me thinking... what does the LABC do with the notification ? Just file it ? I know that when you do a 'Local Authority Search' on house purchase, there's no mention of any notifiable work being recorded. Can't think of any other uses.

Just wondering if it's all a total waste of taxpayers money... and just a bureaucratic charade.
probably gets filed in the great paper dustbin in the sky along with all other randomly notified stuff like windows
 

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I got a call once, from a builder who said a client was selling his house and needed a part P cert for some work done, years previously. They both said I hadn't provided one. I checked records on the pc and found that I had and gave him the cert number. They followed it up and got a copy.
I don't know where from....but I should have charged the cheeky b.....s
 

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This has got me thinking... what does the LABC do with the notification ? Just file it ? I know that when you do a 'Local Authority Search' on house purchase, there's no mention of any notifiable work being recorded. Can't think of any other uses.

Just wondering if it's all a total waste of taxpayers money... and just a bureaucratic charade.
With my council, all notifiable work is registered on the BC web site. Includes, new gas boilers, new windows, new electrical circuits etc. It’s not under planning, but building regs department.

Ive done some searches for others for other different council. Their web site and records aren’t so good.
 

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So I asked the electrician and he said he is registered and the way it works is that he logs onto the NICEIC website and uploads the data, who then share it with LBC.

Also as I am going for a rewire he said the new regs are that any rewire now requries a new consumer unit. Is this correct?

Also he said no light switches in the bathroom - have to be pull cords. I have read online and its unclear.
 
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If the consumer unit satisfies current requirements for construction and circuit protection it doesn't necessarily need replacing. Wall switches can be fitted in bathrooms providing they are not in a prohibited zone and are suitable for the environment.
 

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The consumer unit must be compliant with current regulations, i.e. non-combustible construction. Depending in risk assessment would possibly require SPD (surge protection), but TBH the cost is that cheap now you might as well just install them.

Light switch must be suitable for the location in a location containing a bath or shower and installed outside of the zones.
 

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Can we drop the "Part P registered" rubbish. There is no such thing.
For the OP. If you have notifiable work done then there are two options available to you :
1) You employ an electrician who is a member of an approved scam, err scheme, e.g. NICEIC or Napit. The electrician will do the work, then notify via their scheme - which costs very little.
You will get a certificate from the scheme.
2) You use an electrician who is not a scheme member. In that case YOU are responsible for notifying your LABC Dept before the work starts. Costs vary wildly, but can run to hundreds of quid.
You will get a completion certificate from your LABC Dept.
 

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Thanks.

So whose name do I put down on the Certificate as both myself and my wife are on the Council Tax Bill but the house is actually in my name.
Council tax is completely different part of the council so has no relevance.

The notification for part P will be done for the property so it will be the address of the property that it gets registered to.
 
I have heard people refer to themselves as partP qualified / PartP electrician...

all very bizarre
 
I have heard people refer to themselves as partP qualified / PartP electrician...

all very bizarre
If you do a google search for "Part P Qualified"... you'll see that there are a plethora of courses to become "Part P Qualified"... so me thinks you're fighting a losing battle.
 
If you do a google search for "Part P Qualified"... you'll see that there are a plethora of courses to become "Part P Qualified"... so me thinks you're fighting a losing battle.
It used to be part P but that was done away with as other members have said - it is now just approved. Even the c&g qualification is no longer called part p but instead it’s call building regs. Notifiable works (not called part p) go to the LABC either through the scam/scheme or directly (at an additional cost) - because the old school part p sparks don’t need to update to the latest building regs cert, they don’t always know this.... the only requirement is to have 18th edition certs. Hope that clears things up, or have I thrown a grenade??
 

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I have heard people refer to themselves as partP qualified / PartP electrician...
Doesn't make it right, and you have to wonder what else they c.b.a. to get right.
Then how would you describe the process of notifying electrical work for the purpose of compliance with part P?
I wouldn't because there isn't, and never has been, any such requirement - Part P is easy enough to read, it's only one paragraph and basically says "installations must be safe". Thete is no mention of notification or scam membership.
The confusion is that "Part P" came in at the same time as the notification requirements in the 2010 building regs - so many people who really should know better were confused, and quite a few charlatans deliberately muddied the waters for their own gain.
So answering the question I think you meant to ask, I would just refer to "notification", or "building regs notification".
As a thought, how many other trades refer to "Part X" (substitute appropriate section for X) registeted ? Can't think of any ? Windows have the same requirement, either use a scheme member or notify LABC, but you don't see them advertising or talking about Part X. They advertise membership of (e.g.) FENSA in the same way a lecky advertises NICEIC or Napit.
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It used to be part P but that was done away with ...
As above, it was NEVER Part P - other than in confused minds.
 

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As a thought, how many other trades refer to "Part X" (substitute appropriate section for X) registeted ? Can't think of any ? Windows have the same requirement, either use a scheme member or notify LABC, but you don't see them advertising or talking about Part X. They advertise membership of (e.g.) FENSA in the same way a lecky advertises NICEIC or NAPIT.
What on earth is a 'lecky'?

Plumbers, I have often heard plumbers referring to part G, specifically G3 when talking about unvented hot water storage, will say they are G3 qualified or have their G3 ticket.
 
FENSA GASSAFE all refer to the governing registration body ?

yet for a decade many domestic sparks refer to themselves as PartP electricians.

all very bizarre and I suppose much of the irregularities come from not having one main visible governing body.
 

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Plumbers, I have often heard plumbers referring to part G, specifically G3 when talking about unvented hot water storage, will say they are G3 qualified or have their G3 ticket.
That's because it is a requirement to have the relevant certification to carry out work on unvented hw systems.
I'm not a formally qualified plumber but I cam plumb, and I have a G3 certificate and card.
 

JLeague

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Don’t forget hard wired smoke detectors
Thanks for that I did forget until the Electrician mentioned. I think he mentioned Aico smoke detectors. Hallway, Landing, Kitchen, Living Room. I need to think about the home alarm as well - totally forgot its best to do it all at once!

I mentiond Part P as thats what when I was getting a kitchen fitted and a new cooker point was needed is what my kitchen fitter said I need to make sure the electrican had as a registration.
 

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