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Anyone ever seen this before? The intake at the back of the bath just behind taps, and fuse board just above bath taps in a cupboard.. Would you code this?


It's hard to see there but there's the supply cable coming up from floor, a 6mm earth onto the armouring, then tails from the cut out, this is at bath surface level just behind taps behind a Perspex sliding cupboard door..
 

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Access to the service head could be a problem but otherwise I dont think its an issue because the regs dont apply to authority supplies........I hate these sort of jobs!
 
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Thats my thinking too, just a very bad design, I don't think you could even open the service head up to change the intake fuse if ever it was to blow, the bath would have to be removed... The customer now wants me to change his 3036 board for a new CU. it's an old cottage and the owner said in the last 29 years of him living there he has never had an electrician in his house.. Wish me luck on the board change and testing!
 
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Thats my thinking too, just a very bad design, I don't think you could even open the service head up to change the intake fuse if ever it was to blow, the bath would have to be removed... The customer now wants me to change his 3036 board for a new CU. it's an old cottage and the owner said in the last 29 years of him living there he has never had an electrician in his house.. Wish me luck on the board change and testing!
I hope there's an Isolator fitted then otherwise you may be dabbing those tails back in LIVE lol

*** just kidding obviously ***
 

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Looks like a BS951 clamp on the sheath and a 4mm main earth, but may be just the picture, should be easy to upgrade!

Lots of luck with the works, rather you than me I am afraid.
Or should that be: I am afraid. Rather you than me!
 
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16mm tails, No iso. I'll get him to call DNO to fit an isolator, (if they can).
 
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16mm tails, No iso. I'll get him to call DNO to fit an isolator, (if they can).
Better leave the client a contact for a Bathroom fitter too then lol

Bet the DNO won't be happy as they are unable to maintain their equipment? Should be interesting to find out what happens:thumbsup
 
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My job there today was to bond gas and water.. The customer didn't make me aware on the phone that the gas meter was in the detached garage across a block paved drive.. Was a pain getting the bond back to MET in main house.. Don't you just love work in old cottages
 

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I just can't believe this!!! someone has put a bath on top of a DNO cutout. No, there probably isn't a regulation to stop it from our (IEE regs ) side, but I bet there is a DNO regulation which states that their equipment must be accessible for repair and maintenance, which this clearly is not. The reason there is no specific regulation is that the IEE et al expect people to use their bl**dy common sense (a rare commodity today, apparently) and not put a bath on top of it! I cannot bear to think what could happen if the plumbing leaks or the seal round the bath edge starts to leak. The solution is not simple I know, but in my estimation it is either move the cutout or move the bath. This set up is grossly unsafe, and by the grace of god, has not already killed someone. Just because there isn't a reg specifically forbidding something doesn't mean it is OK to do it FFS!
 

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My job there today was to bond gas and water.. The customer didn't make me aware on the phone that the gas meter was in the detached garage across a block paved drive.. Was a pain getting the bond back to MET in main house.. Don't you just love work in old cottages
so why bond at the gas meter. you should bond the gas where it comes into the house.
 

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I just can't believe this!!! someone has put a bath on top of a DNO cutout. No, there probably isn't a regulation to stop it from our (IEE regs ) side, but I bet there is a DNO regulation which states that their equipment must be accessible for repair and maintenance, which this clearly is not. The reason there is no specific regulation is that the IEE et al expect people to use their bl**dy common sense (a rare commodity today, apparently) and not put a bath on top of it! I cannot bear to think what could happen if the plumbing leaks or the seal round the bath edge starts to leak. The solution is not simple I know, but in my estimation it is either move the cutout or move the bath. This set up is grossly unsafe, and by the grace of god, has not already killed someone. Just because there isn't a reg specifically forbidding something doesn't mean it is OK to do it FFS!

bath obviously fitted by friendly neighbourhood plumber. need i say more?
 

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Out of interest is the meter there aswell? That sounds like a right pig of a job! good luck!
 
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so why bond at the gas meter. you should bond the gas where it comes into the house.

I first thought this too tel, but then noticed sockets and lights in the detached garage, so the gas meter and pipe work is all conductive, so thought my best option was to bond on the meter
 
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Out of interest is the meter there aswell? That sounds like a right pig of a job! good luck!
The meter is at bath top level behind the taps. Behind a clear Perspex sliding cupboard ( picture it like a display cabinet in wholesalers)
 

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So if the CU is in zone 1, surely the cupboard has to have IP rating to suit that zone?
 
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Here's the board again, I'm in the process of changing it... It has Perspex sliding doors then, 2 wooden cupboard doors in front of that. There's no rubber seal or anything to keep it water tight.. What would you recommend?
 

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only a plumber could fit a bath like that. a spark would have put the taps the other end, and probably bonded them, just to be sure.
 

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Ha I cant believe that...

Ive seen it all now...

I suppose if your sat relaxed in the bath and a fuse blows you haven't got far to go, saves getting out the bath and stumbling downstairs in the dark...instead you can just fumble around in the dark for the fuse while still keeping warm in the bath...perfectly safe... :D

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Here's the board again, I'm in the process of changing it... It has Perspex sliding doors then, 2 wooden cupboard doors in front of that. There's no rubber seal or anything to keep it water tight.. What would you recommend?
That's different. Apart from the obviously barking mad location I would be concerned about condensation building up in there. Is there any ventilation or free air movement with the doors closed? Rather than perspex doors you could try those secondary double glazing panels cut to size with the correct runners etc.

Also is the possibility of putting a small fan in there with an overrun facility that triggers when the lights are turned on that would cause an over pressure in the cabinet making it harder for water vapour to enter?

I take it they didn't want it moving totally of of the room?
 
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Are the DNO aware of this installation yet?

Surely something has to be said about the lack of safety here?

There are so many outcomes that could pass through your mind when looking at this but I think most would result in death!

Perhaps a few photo's to the DNO are required, you never know they may cut the supply until the situation has been rectified;)

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From a Sparky's point of view it's heaven being able to lounge in the bath, bubbles, cables, light music and being able to observe your CU and watch the meter whirring around :)
Surely if the DNO aren't told now it will be picked up when Smart meters are rolled out?

Who's idea was the perspex doors - customers? If so then surely they know or suspect it isn't safe?
 

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Here's the board again, I'm in the process of changing it... It has Perspex sliding doors then, 2 wooden cupboard doors in front of that. There's no rubber seal or anything to keep it water tight.. What would you recommend?
It has the advantage of the occupant of the bath being able to reset the MCB without the inconvenience of getting out of the bath. ...... I like it !!! :)
 

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Good GOD!

I have never seen anything so stupid in my life!

Does the householder actually use the bath??????

I'd be scared sh1tle55 of ever setting foot in the bath.
 

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This is maddness, they call it madness..

I agree with telectrix.. Has to be a plumbers handy work, a spark would have least put the taps the other end..
 

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Mind Boggling to say the least!!!

I'll never understand how someone could deem this safe???

I mean judging by the over-soldering of the pipes under the bath the plumber must have thought of future leak-proofing or am I being equally as daft? Joking....
 

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In my opinion the plumber could be brought to rights if they can locate him, regardless of who's regulation it comes under he has created a death trap and as mentioned before once the seal goes on the bath or the tap fittings leak then it will run directly into the cutout. Building regs, DNO's regs and basic H&S have all been breached here and regardless of where exactly there is a reg against it it still comes down to a serious danger and should be brought up with the owner and reported to the DNO... its your duty as an Electrician to ensure this danger is at least looked into by the DNO with thought on re-siting the cutout to an outside wall and/or a plumber to see if alterations can be made to resolve the obvious danger.
Ignoring this could be costly and although its DNOs property and the plumber fault the fact you are doing electricals on the installation means its your responsibilty to take steps to see a solution for the hazard.
 
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