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Mynamesmatt

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I have one double socket in my kitchen (its part up the upstairs ring) ...and i need to change it to three doubles


Is it ok to use the double back box that is currently in the wall, to joint and extend the ring (and place a double blank plate over) then chase down and fit three doubles?

If so what type of connectors should i use, wagos?

Be nice ...........
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Rauer

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Don't plaster over the connections
 
matt, this is notifiable work. Tell me you are a part P registered, qualified electrician and I will of course offer you any advice that I can. :)
 
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sparks1973

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yeah...get em crimped...youl need blue and red crimps for this...ratchet crimper n all...
 
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Mynamesmatt

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im a qualified electrician! the original socket is far too high above the worktops, just all needs re-jigging really

thanks guys!

also, i came across a lighting junction box under the floorboards.. all the terminals inside were being used by live/neturals and so someone has brought the earths OUTSIDE the jb and put them all into a chock block.. anyone ever seen this done? hmmmmmmmm
 
Sorry matt, didn't know you were a qualified electrician. I'm surprised you are asking about extending an RFC in that case. Not part P tho?
In answer to the JB question, yes, you will find that method used throughout thousands of homes. Not good practice, and one which I hate, but out there nonetheless.
 
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TF28

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Through crimps, do not just spur of existing with one cable as that is not correct without fusing the cable down.
 
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Rauer

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he said he was going to use a blank plate.

why not keep the original socket and make the others part of the ring. you only have to extend one cable then.
And obviously you've never seen a blank plate plasterd over then! I've seen it for too many times!
 
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You've got it dead right matt, nice picture. Doesnt matter what you have behind the blank plate (crimps, terminal block, wagos) its all good although I love wagos these days. I wouldn't worry too much about that Part P nonsense, its your gaff and if you know what you're at then crack on.

On the subject of wagos
Anyone who has never use a wagobox/connectors please please give them a try you dont know what you are missing out on.
Picture this: 4 T&E's and 2 3 cores hanging out of a 70mm downlighter hole all need connecting together in an enclosure that will fit back through that hole.......major headache right...not with a wagobox and connectors. Literally takes about 10 minutes and only tool you need is cutters, no tape no drivers nothing.
Awesome awesome awesome
 
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sparks1973

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You've got it dead right matt, nice picture. Doesnt matter what you have behind the blank plate (crimps, terminal block, wagos) its all good although I love wagos these days. I wouldn't worry too much about that Part P nonsense, its your gaff and if you know what you're at then crack on.

On the subject of wagos
Anyone who has never use a wagobox/connectors please please give them a try you dont know what you are missing out on.
Picture this: 4 T&E's and 2 3 cores hanging out of a 70mm downlighter hole all need connecting together in an enclosure that will fit back through that hole.......major headache right...not with a wagobox and connectors. Literally takes about 10 minutes and only tool you need is cutters, no tape no drivers nothing.
Awesome awesome awesome
so what if its 5A connectors....as i found the other day in a similar scenario?
 
You've got it dead right matt, nice picture. Doesnt matter what you have behind the blank plate (crimps, terminal block, wagos) its all good although I love wagos these days. I wouldn't worry too much about that Part P nonsense, its your gaff and if you know what you're at then crack on.
Thanks for the support Dave.
 
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Lucas

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if it's exactly above the new socket, cut a bit of metal capping down and place it over the connections then plaster over it. I see no reason why that can't be done because it's still in a safe zone, that's only if your using maintenace free connections though
 
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Rauer

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if it's exactly above the new socket, cut a bit of metal capping down and place it over the connections then plaster over it. I see no reason why that can't be done because it's still in a safe zone, that's only if your using maintenace free connections though
I don't like that! I know it's ok cause it's mf but there's something about it I don't like and would never do myself
 
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I wouldn't worry too much about that Part P nonsense, its your gaff and if you know what you're at then crack on.
A tad irresponsible don't you think.

I take it you're Part P, so what if all your customers start saying the same?
 
I can't believe that you guys are telling a DIY'er how to do notifiable work in a building regs special location.
Lucas, many thing "can be done", but plastering over push connections does not make the joint MF.
 
Part P is a load of old tosh. It will never stop people doing work in their own homes. It's just another government solution to fix a problem by extracting money from people at the same time
You may think it's tosh and I may think it's tosh, but it is the law. Very irresponsible to suggest to someone on a public forum to ignore it.
 
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^^^^^tend to agree^^^^^ .....because it is a tad surprising that a qualified electrician needs to ask how to extend a RFC. If the OP was competant enough to ignore part p he wouldnt have to ask how to do the job.
I've been known to ignore part p but then I've been extending RFC's for decades before part p was a twinkle in the governments eye.
 
^^^^^tend to agree^^^^^ .....because it is a tad surprising that a qualified electrician needs to ask how to extend a RFC. If the OP was competant enough to ignore part p he wouldnt have to ask how to do the job.
I've been known to ignore part p but then I've been extending RFC's for decades before part p was a twinkle in the governments eye.
My point exactly. Extending an RFC is just another day at the office for a qualified electrician imo.
 
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Swicade

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Not every Qualified Electrician out there does domestic/commercial day in day out......many work in the industrial environment working on machinery,control panels, etc within a factory (for example).In this sort of enviroment you dont deal with ringmains so much (office electrics in some big factories tend to be done by outside contractors).

OP could be one of these type of sparks for all we know, unsure of the latest regs but know's what he wants to do and came here to check he's doing it correctly to the current reg's.

Wago's are the mutt's nuts...defo give them a go. As stated a ring extension is notifiable under (the farce) that is Part P.
 
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Not every Qualified Electrician out there does domestic/commercial day in day out......many work in the industrial environment working on machinery,control panels, etc within a factory (for example).In this sort of enviroment you dont deal with ringmains so much (office electrics in some big factories tend to be done by outside contractors).

OP could be one of these type of sparks for all we know, unsure of the latest regs but know's what he wants to do and came here to check he's doing it correctly to the current reg's.

Wago's are the mutt's nuts...defo give them a go. As stated a ring extension is notifiable under (the farce) that is Part P.
Sorry.....a rings a ring whether it's in a factory or the OP's kitchen.....a 'qualified electrician' should be able to deal with one.
 
You may think it's tosh and I may think it's tosh, but it is the law. Very irresponsible to suggest to someone on a public forum to ignore it.​



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I didn't say he should ignore it, I was just pointing out the reallity of the situation. At the end of the day people will ignore Part P and do work for themselves - Fact. He is simply asking for advice on the correct way of doing the job rather than just doing it wrong.
 
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Swicade

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OP was checking to makesure what he wanted to do was within the latest reg's regarding the method of jointing the cable's. There's no doubt from the original post that he knew how to deal with a ring, was a reg's check.
 

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So..what's wrong with twist and tape? only joking.bored incarcerated in this place. can't wait till i get out. hopefully tomorrow

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So..what's wrong with twist and tape? only joking.bored incarcerated in this place. can't wait till i get out. hopefully tomorrow
 

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ayjay

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so, it,s ok to spur 3 sockets off of the existing one without going thro a fused switch-spur??

sorry, just had another look, it is a ring! my mistake
 
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Not every Qualified Electrician out there does domestic/commercial day in day out......many work in the industrial environment working on machinery,control panels, etc within a factory (for example).In this sort of enviroment you dont deal with ringmains so much (office electrics in some big factories tend to be done by outside contractors).

OP could be one of these type of sparks for all we know, unsure of the latest regs but know's what he wants to do and came here to check he's doing it correctly to the current reg's.

Wago's are the mutt's nuts...defo give them a go. As stated a ring extension is notifiable under (the farce) that is Part P.
My apprenticeship was as an industrial electrical engineer, and of course you learn about extending RFC's. If you want to talk regs, or even the law, then it is notifiable. End of.
For all any of us know, any person asking for help on here could be Manny the handyman, asking for advice on how to earn a living from "having a go" at notifiable work.
If I tell you that I'm a bank, will you lend me all your money? :)
 
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Swicade

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My posts are obviously like reading the reg's......i type them knowing what i want them to mean but they get read in a totaly different way *mutters*.

I'll go back to chewing on the cabbages around here just outside my cave....'tis a happy simple place.
 
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