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Just been to fit a socket for a girl who lives down the road. Nothing of a job, just one extra socket in living room, and to cut a long story short, it was an extention to a radial in cupboard under stairs, next to C.U.

When I looked at CU to isolate said socket, nothing was marked up so I removed lid from CU (split load) to follow wire to appropriate MCB, and found everything to be on non RCD side apart from outside light, which was wired in 2.5 off a (very slack) 32a breaker. The rest was not much better, boiler wired in 1.0mm and fed off a 16a, all screws on mcb's and tails etc as slack as p*ss.:eek:
Did the decent thing and swapped circuits to right sides of board,put on correct size MCB's, tightened up screws, conected socket to existing radial, tested (ze .34), job done !

Now, as I have said before I dont do much domestic, nor am I 'Domestic Installer' registered, so does anything I have done fall under Part P of the building regs.

There were no new circuits,and no work in special locations, but because I re-hashed the already existing DB (no new bits needed), does this make it notifiable ?

Thanks for your input

Spud:)
 
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ElectricMick

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Hi, being just a domestic installer I would not have notified anything you have just done. This is what gets my goat about the whole part "p" thing. As a qualified but unregistered installer that would have cost me (ultimately the customer) £117.50 had I needed to notify. You have left the installation much safer than you found it so I would leave it at that. Having said that it should have a minor works cert. Done many jobs similar to what you have described and not notified any of them. Interpretation of the regs is a fuzzy thing!! Get me started on part "p" , I need a rant !!!!!
 

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Hi, being just a domestic installer I would not have notified anything you have just done. This is what gets my goat about the whole part "p" thing. As a qualified but unregistered installer that would have cost me (ultimately the customer) £117.50 had I needed to notify. You have left the installation much safer than you found it so I would leave it at that. Having said that it should have a minor works cert. Done many jobs similar to what you have described and not notified any of them. Interpretation of the regs is a fuzzy thing!! Get me started on part "p" , I need a rant !!!!!
I believe and numerous others do as well, the person who thought up PART P must have been a complete idiot as the people it was supposed to stop eg cowboy kitchen fitters etc has had no effect to these people at all but if anything it has penalised electricians who know what they are doing can't because off this stupid legelslation.

I think it is time they went back to the drawing board and sort this major cock up out once and for all.
 
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ElectricMick

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Couldn't agree more. Having taken the trouble to get qualified after a 30 year military career (2381/2391/2377 etc EAL Dom installer cert, then 17th upgrade) It really gets to me when the "Building Inspector" comes out to look (for £120). I wouldn't mind so much if it was an electrician, but it isn't. My personal view is that they should just make sure that those doing the installation have the building regs qualification (as well as the electrical of course). If you have, then you shouldn't need the inspector -if you haven't, then call building control. Just my view - but something needs to be done, because I, for one, am still rectifying cowboy works.
 
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CUDABOY

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i think emergency work that would be notifyable normally can be done ? i gotta nominate 2 jobs for my niciec inspection that ive done in last 12 months,trouble is labc @ £237 a pop i seemed to forget.....................mmmmmm.
 
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ElectricMick

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Nice one - I must admit I have "forgotten" on numerous occasions!!! The fact is most customers don't have any sort of electrical certification for their property anyway - and they wonder why suddenly they have to have one, usually at considerable expense. All they generally want to know is "is it safe". The sooner we can get this "Part P" fiasco sorted the better. I'm all for checking and double checking work, but surely there has to be a simpler (and cheaper) way. Utimately, as we know, the customer pays, and they never seem too happy about it.
 
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CUDABOY

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spot on, spoken by a true fello biker, suzuki?
 
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Cirrus

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Another biker? Cool. I am spending a fortune on my Thundercat at the mo. 2 new Conti road attack tyres, new downpipes, new led indicators, new rear wheel etc etc etc. Great fun though.

(sorry to get it off topic)
 
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CUDABOY

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bikes and cars mate, 1980 suzuki gs1000e and a 67 barracuda 440 ci or 7.2l v8. its all bread man!
 
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ElectricMick

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Bikes, cars, boats - if its got an engine I'll have it!!! Riding a Bandit at the moment - cheap and cheerful, does everything it says on the tin. Got a mate who seems to be constanly shelling out mortgage figures to keep his Ducati 750SS on the road, so the good old reliable Bandit will be staying with me for a while. Its a good "point and shoot" for weekend fun.
 
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CUDABOY

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what about the £5000 fine for doing work without notifing? revolution people!!!
 
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Cirrus

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That's how I think of my Cat. Looked at getting a Duke but they spend more time being serviced than they do on the road. Looking at a TL1000 next year or maybe a street triple. Need a V-Twin.
 
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CUDABOY

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want another cruiser. me backs funkt!
 
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ElectricMick

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If you can find a good SV1000 they're fun - you don't get slapped in the face as much as on a TL either.
 
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Cirrus

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True - have been considering a Sv1000
 
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ElectricMick

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what about the £5000 fine for doing work without notifing? revolution people!!!
Wouldn't it be nice if the customer decided whether they wanted a cert or not? Was asked if I would do a PIR yesterday and the customer thought I would just say everything was ok if they paid. Had to explain that the cost was the same whether there was anything wrong or not, so they decided not to have the PIR, although a surveyor had advised them to do it prior to marketing the house (big 1970's detatched). Almost guarentee its full of DIY over the last 30 plus years. I could probably go in and rectify it all for the cost of a PIR if LABC's weren't certificate mad!!! Safe house, happy customer - whats the chances?
 
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heathelect

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thought this thread was about certifiable or not jobs !!!!!
come on lets keep to the thread .
anyone into classic 60s fords ?
 
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Spudnik

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Anything to do with a CU, replacement or alteration is notfiable.

Sorry!
 
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CUDABOY

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thought this thread was about certifiable or not jobs !!!!!
come on lets keep to the thread .
anyone into classic 60s fords ?
mate has 3, a mk 1 cortina,classic and a prefect..............other mate has cortina mk1, came second this years cortina show, me a 7.2l 67 v8. sorry to go away from thread..............
 
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tony.towa

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I know I've not been on the forum for a few days but these new regs have thrown me.

Can someone tell me why I need Part P on a cu in a Mk1 Cortina or does it only apply to motorbikes? :confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
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heathelect

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mate has 3, a mk 1 cortina,classic and a prefect..............other mate has cortina mk1, came second this years cortina show, me a 7.2l 67 v8. sorry to go away from thread..............
cudaboy, youre mate has a classic ?, is that a consul classic 315, cause thats what ive got !! regards dave:)
 
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