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Chasing holes for new sockets in kitchen. What height should they be to top of socket. i was thinking 1100mm to top of socket. i also would like to put one low down at 450mm for fridge and washer.

one more thing, how far should they be from cooker and sink.

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Any work in a kitchen is notifiable. Are you Part P registered or are you informing building control?
 
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i am working with a part P eletrician. he did not seem to be very clear on the last visit. he just said 300mm from a sink. and 8 inches off worktop
 
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Ask your Part P electrician.

He must be back from his holliday by now.
 
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spark 68

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Hi mate,

min height is 450mm to the bottom of the socket outlet from the finished floor level, when you are cutting/chasing the wall for your back boxes allow an extra 25mm at least higher, to take into account the amount of overlap of the accessory.

I had an arsey BC control inspector once pull me on it, I usually allow an extra 50mm higher now if the floor is not finished.
 
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hmmm, that didnt help much. just looking for advice then when he visits next i can show him where i would like to put stuff. i would like show him i have an idea or things thats all
 
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Chasing holes for new sockets in kitchen. What height should they be to top of socket. i was thinking 1100mm to top of socket. i also would like to put one low down at 450mm for fridge and washer.

one more thing, how far should they be from cooker and sink.

Thanks eveyone !
i am working with a part P eletrician. he did not seem to be very clear on the last visit. he just said 300mm from a sink. and 8 inches off worktop
You've answered your own question. If your Part P Electrician has given you the measurements then do as he says. If you alter his instructions then he may not sign off your work.
 
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The electrician should be able to tell you as he would have designed the job and therefore know what is what. If your working with him then why cant you just ring him, 10 times quicker than asking on here.
 
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Height off the work top depends on if you're having an upstand (usually 100mm), but 200 to 240mm would be OK.
300mm from a sink or cooker would be a minimum, further away would be better.
Low socket for any appliance would require a DP isolator above work top. There is no height requirement below a worktop.
 
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tedglen2

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thanks everyone. He did not mention isoloter needed for me 450mm socket : $
 
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1shortcircuit

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thanks everyone. He did not mention isoloter needed for me 450mm socket : $
Only needed if the appliance is built in, if it's free standing then no requirement as the appliance can be pulled out and unplugged in order to achieve safe isolation.
 

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There is always something irritating about deception
I detest the part p nonsense, but screwing with peoples good intentions and assistance is another turkey that should be put on the table

Untrained people are more and more gleaming bits of information to carry out these projects, that they are either not trained to safely do, or are performing illegally
There should either be a competent Spark in full control of this job,or guidance given from the Labc that has recieved the notification fee
 
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tedglen2

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how much is notifcation fee too Labc. thought it would be easier to go with a part P ?
 

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Hi mate,

min height is 450mm to the bottom of the socket outlet from the finished floor level,...............................
I had an arsey BC control inspector once pull me on it, I usually allow an extra 50mm higher now if the floor is not finished.
If it was an addition to an existing installation he is talking out of his rear end.
The socket height thing is to do with disabled access (BR Part M). There's no point having sockets accessible at wheelchair height unless there are also ramps and doors wide enough for said wheelchair.

In any case the socket height stuff applies only in living areas and where the disabled may reasonably require access. Kitchens are excluded from this requirement. Can't see a disabled person needing access to a socket behind a washing machine:tongue3:
 
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Before quoting building regs, is this a new build or a existing installation having alterations carried out to it?
 
Ted, like many others, I believe you are an enthusiastic DIYer which in some respects I applaud for your willingness to have a go however, some of the questions you ask on other threads reveal a lack of knowledge which I find worrying, generally speaking electricians are cheaper and less traumatic than funerals. If you are doing this yourself at least pay us the courtesy of being honest about it. You should be aware by now that there is a lot more to the trade than a few cables and a few accessories, we have to be able to prove that what we install is fit for it's intended purpose and is compliant with not only the wiring regulations but the building regulations in general.
If I'm wrong about you being a DIYer and the electrician is indeed supervising you from whatever distance then I apologise unreservedly.
 

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If it was an addition to an existing installation he is talking out of his rear end.
The socket height thing is to do with disabled access (BR Part M). There's no point having sockets accessible at wheelchair height unless there are also ramps and doors wide enough for said wheelchair.

In any case the socket height stuff applies only in living areas and where the disabled may reasonably require access. Kitchens are excluded from this requirement. Can't see a disabled person needing access to a socket behind a washing machine:tongue3:

New Build mate,

I did the heights correct, and then the client changed the specs on the flooring and this changed the FFL.
They were about 10mm too low! FFS!, you know some BCI's are little Hitler's, he let it go in the end but whinged at the client and therefore me no end.
 
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tedglen2

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Its an ex council house. Was just going to channel existing circuit into walls but it has now turned into a full rewire and new consumer unit
 
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Plonker 3

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Well in that case you can put the sockets and switches at whatever height you so wish unless it is specified to comply with DDA requirements.
 
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tedglen2

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i am tryng to do as much as i can myself. but the eletrican seems to be so laid back !!!
 
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RISElectrical

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urrrrrrrrrrggghhhhhh I give up on threads like this... If your going to ask our opinion at least be honest as to why you need it.
 
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tedglen2

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why would i lie mate ? This is going to get signed off. i am not that stupid !!!!!! eletrician has agreed that i chase the holes and feed wire through. he will come and fit new CU and put sockets on !!!!!!
 
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If you look back through your posts on this thread it just jumps from 1 thing to another and lends itself to give the impression that all is not what it seems, that's all. If I am wrong then so be it. I do think this electrician needs to be advising you and supervising you a little more closely but hey ho.

My apologies if I have offended you but have a read of the thread and see if you can empathise with my view.
 
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Yes it does seem like I don’t have a clue ! or maybe I have picked a right nutter to do the final job!. He does not seem to be advising much, I think he would rather the whole job and not me doing the chasing etc.
 

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, I think he would rather the whole job and not me doing the chasing etc.
If it were me that would be my view too. Customers doing some of the work/providing their own materials etc is very rarely a recipe for saving money. You probably aren't paying him any consultancy fees for asking him for advice, so every time you call him up its costing HIM money..

He's probably got the view,
"Well, if he thinks he knows enough to do it himself then he can just get on with it".
 
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1shortcircuit

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Yes it does seem like I don’t have a clue ! or maybe I have picked a right nutter to do the final job!. He does not seem to be advising much, I think he would rather the whole job and not me doing the chasing etc.
To be honest I would be happy for a client to do all the donkey work (chasing/holes in joists etc) but that is where it would end and there would be strict instruction on exactly where and what to do.

I hope for your sake he's not misinformed you which could lead to a structural issue.

What area are you in? It sounds like you could do with input from one of our ever helping members. I can't help but think one way or another this may end up in tears.... at the least :(

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to be honest, i think you are right. i have dug my self a hole, i just trying to get out of it now!!!
 
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tedglen2

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from Swansea. and could do with a decent quote to be honest
 
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