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Dear all - I am looking to install some LED strip lighting (it will be wall-mounted near the ceiling, behind some uplight coving). The plan is to pull the power from the mains under the floor and chase the cabling into the wall (brick wall, no studs), to then be cemented/plastered/polyfillered) in, which emerges at ceiling level.

Here are the proposed specs and units (3 runs all going back to the receivers to keep each length <5m). The tape is a 12V, RGBW 14.4W/m with 60LEDS per section. There are no extra cuts as the tape can wrap around the wall due to them being wall mounted facing internally, and not upward

Power Supply
https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/led-strip-lights/led-power-supplies/240w-led-driver.html

Reciever
EasiLight RGBW LED Zone Receiver - https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/led-strip-lights/led-controllers/additional-rgb-led-zone-receiver-13637.html

LED Tape
https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/led-strip-lights/led-tape/rgbw-led-strip-lights-60-x-5050-smds-14-4w-p-m-1020lm.html

Main run:
240V AC ----> 240-12V Driver/Power Supply --->120W Reciever (x2) ---> LED Strips (x3 runs each approx 4.5m)

There are 2 receivers as each LED run will draw up to 58W at full brightness

Switch run:
Theres also the switch which operates via RF to the Receivers which is as below:

240V AC ---> Switch (has internal transformer)

Questions:
  1. Could this be wired into the lighting circuit (protected by the 6A fuse) or do I need to to this from the mains as planned (16A fuse - its not a ring main and there are separate breakers for each of the top floor rooms, each at 16A). On this route there are 8 double sockets, none of which will be powering anything dramatic (TV/computer, that kind of stuff). I only ask as it will be much easier to access the above ceiling space if transformers ever need replacing.
  2. Can these power supplies and RF receivers be wired into backboxes/pattress boxes with faceplates or simply plastered into wall or will this damage them/reduce signal significantly. Again, would rather keep them from being under the floor in case they ever need replacing and don't want to pull up carpets e.t.c. So either in wall or above ceiling preferable (can access from loft space)
Many thanks for any input or advice
 
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Get an Electrician to install it for you, the questions asked don't bode well for a DIY project.
 
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Whilst I appreciate that is always good advice, perhaps if you could imagine I would like try this myself and the whole point of asking is to learn and not do silly things, this would be a more helpful conversation
 

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Dear all - I am looking to install some LED strip lighting (it will be wall-mounted near the ceiling, behind some uplight coving). The plan is to pull the power from the mains under the floor and chase the cabling into the wall (brick wall, no studs), to then be cemented/plastered/polyfillered) in, which emerges at ceiling level.

Here are the proposed specs and units (3 runs all going back to the receivers to keep each length <5m). The tape is a 12V, RGBW 14.4W/m with 60LEDS per section. There are no extra cuts as the tape can wrap around the wall due to them being wall mounted facing internally, and not upward

Power Supply
https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/led-strip-lights/led-power-supplies/240w-led-driver.html

Reciever
EasiLight RGBW LED Zone Receiver - https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/led-strip-lights/led-controllers/additional-rgb-led-zone-receiver-13637.html

LED Tape
https://www.wholesaleledlights.co.uk/led-strip-lights/led-tape/rgbw-led-strip-lights-60-x-5050-smds-14-4w-p-m-1020lm.html

Main run:
240V AC ----> 240-12V Driver/Power Supply --->120W Reciever (x2) ---> LED Strips (x3 runs each approx 4.5m)

There are 2 receivers as each LED run will draw up to 58W at full brightness

Switch run:
Theres also the switch which operates via RF to the Receivers which is as below:

240V AC ---> Switch (has internal transformer)

Questions:
  1. Could this be wired into the lighting circuit (protected by the 6A fuse) or do I need to to this from the mains as planned (16A fuse - its not a ring main and there are separate breakers for each of the top floor rooms, each at 16A). On this route there are 8 double sockets, none of which will be powering anything dramatic (TV/computer, that kind of stuff). I only ask as it will be much easier to access the above ceiling space if transformers ever need replacing.
  2. Can these power supplies and RF receivers be wired into backboxes/pattress boxes with faceplates or simply plastered into wall or will this damage them/reduce signal significantly. Again, would rather keep them from being under the floor in case they ever need replacing and don't want to pull up carpets e.t.c. So either in wall or above ceiling preferable (can access from loft space)
Many thanks for any input or advice
That power supply looks a bit of a worry to me,
IP20 with fan cooling, will need to be in an enclosure that keeps the dust out of it that can be accessed every now and then to clean it.

I wouldn't fit that under floor or in a loft without considering how you will enclose it and clean it.

you could probably sink some 2 gang pattresses in and cover with a blank plate for the receiver units.

I think you would do well to ask a local spark to quote, even if you want to do a lot of the work yourself, just be honest with them and ask him/her to suggest the best locations for the units.
they may well be pleased that you are going to do all the chasing and fitting of it.
 
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Thanks for the advice - might I ask where you would consider a more appropriate place (hidden from view) There really isn't anywhere else for it to reasonably go without it being visible. As for enclosures, I'm sure there are a variety on the market if you have any advice on that
 

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Thanks for the advice - might I ask where you would consider a more appropriate place (hidden from view) There really isn't anywhere else for it to reasonably go without it being visible. As for enclosures, I'm sure there are a variety on the market if you have any advice on that
Unfortunately, the link you have posted has no product instruction leaflet available for download, this will tell you the requirements for mounting. i.e free air flow, clear distance required for heat dispertion etc.
mirrorstone lighting have nothing useful on there web site to let you know these details.
they do however have a technical advice phone number.
 
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I have sent their support team an email to enquire about an appropriate enclosure and to get the manual/leaflet if they have one. If they don't reply I will call when I off work.

Are there any other aspects you think need further thought?
Many thanks for the input regardless
 

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Thanks for the advice - might I ask where you would consider a more appropriate place (hidden from view) There really isn't anywhere else for it to reasonably go without it being visible. As for enclosures, I'm sure there are a variety on the market if you have any advice on that
If it's fan cooled also think of noise.

It may not deliver the desired results if your romantic mood lighting is humming away in the background while you're trying to get amorous Mrs Zsico.
 

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24v instead of 12v would be better, reduced current and longer runs..
Have a look at the aurora range of products..the type you have posted is poor quality..
Do you have existing downlights in the ceiling or even better ceiling speakers?
How much depth/room is inside the coving?
 
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Does anyone have any recommendations for an alternate power supply (perhaps IP65 then?) for 240W 12V 20A

There are existing downlights (halogens with transformers for each) x6 so the LED tape is just for a bit of ambience. They do not need to be particularly high quality. The coving will be 100 x 100 approx

= XPS Polystyrene Uplight COVING LED Lighting cornice BFS12 SIZE 100mm x 80mm = | eBay - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XPS-Polystyrene-Uplight-COVING-LED-Lighting-cornice-BFS12-SIZE-100mm-x-80mm-/283064949608

Not exactly that, may go for a plaster fitted one
 

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Go on the aurora website and have a look at their products..
Utilise the downlight holes to access the ceiling void.. locate drivers in those areas.. fish cable from there over to where the coving is
 
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(Or alternatively perhaps a small vent diffuser to allow air into the underfloor space). I got a reply from the manufacturer regarding its placement as well as below:

"Dust does not normally pose an issue with the transformer, I have had many customers who have fitted the transformers in similar environments."
 

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Whilst I appreciate that is always good advice, perhaps if you could imagine I would like try this myself and the whole point of asking is to learn and not do silly things, this would be a more helpful conversation
I don't see any reason why you shouldn't install the coving, led tape, and controllers but would recommend getting an electrician to install the mains supply for the system.
You could easily have a suitable socket outlet installed in the loft if the controllers are going up there.
 
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