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It is quite obvious the majority of employers expect maximmum output from there employees.When it comes to Test & Inspection it is not uncommon to be asked to take shortcuts.At the end of the day its the electrician that signs the test sheet,but how often have you been told " oh ignore that" or "dont worry just put that down"But at the end of the day if someone is injured or even killed at the worst scenario "who takes the rap "when its mostly down to verbal instructions which are not recorded.I know its its easy to say well dont do what you think is right,but you can often be branded unhelpful & difficult which may take you further up the line out that door!!!!! I know we should not cow down to every whim,but in this economic climate what are the alternatives????? I would be very interested how other sparkies deal with this?This is all hypothetical of course!!!!!:rolleyes:
 
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heathelect

It is quite obvious the majority of employers expect maximmum output from there employees.When it comes to Test & Inspection it is not uncommon to be asked to take shortcuts.At the end of the day its the electrician that signs the test sheet,but how often have you been told " oh ignore that" or "dont worry just put that down"But at the end of the day if someone is injured or even killed at the worst scenario "who takes the rap "when its mostly down to verbal instructions which are not recorded.I know its its easy to say well dont do what you think is right,but you can often be branded unhelpful & difficult which may take you further up the line out that door!!!!! I know we should not cow down to every whim,but in this economic climate what are the alternatives????? I would be very interested how other sparkies deal with this?This is all hypothetical of course!!!!!:rolleyes:

If you sign the test sheets as the person who installed and tested the installation, you are the one of the persons who would take rap if anyone got hurt, so my advice is do the testing properly, any self respecting boss wont give you a rollocking if he feels youre taking too long,(YOU GOTTA COVER YOUR OWN BACKSIDE 100%)
 
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wattsup

The test is bent, always is. That's my main argument with labour luvvies new bureaucracy for 'self testing' it cannot work. All the 'government' intended to do was create jobs for their minioins.
Also create pretend jobs for their new 'skills policy'. Make it law, you pay.

Under the former law if anyone did dodgy work/dangerous work, they were still liable, nothing has changed, except the government now want a cut of added prices, they also pretend they are protecting the public, they can also encourage 'testers' the ones I know could not wire a christmas tree, yet they have the power. It is quite and utterly bent beyond reason, but hey you know this government likes rules. Make money for meaningless jobs
 
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Mike P

If you work for yourself you take the wrap.
If you are employed the buck stops at the top although you are partially responsible as you are the inspector. New laws are on the way "corporate manslaughter" although no one has been charged under this act yet.
And finally Do you have public liabillity insurance it's a must.
 
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uksel

your name on the sheet - you are declaring on a legal document that the installation meets all of the current requirements and is safe to use

you are the competent person, so the buck stops with you. if you are not competent you should not be performing the tests or signing any certificates

and the old ones are the best: if it's not safe don't do it!

at the end of the day, wether you have liability insurance or not you can still end up in jail for negligence on your part, ande your supervisor could also be in the cell next door if that is his attitude
 
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