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I recently installed a new ring main and lighting circuit to a new house extension, priced the job off plan and first fixed before getting access to the house.I now find there is no equipotential bonding to the gas and water, which under part P we are obligated to update, but the owner refuses to pay for it! This will take the best part of a day plus materials, (10mm not cheap), so it looks like I will be losing out. In these situations we should have some back up from NAPIT, IECC etc, when working with builders you dont always have all the info on hand when quoting!:mad:
 
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Cirrus

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What I am asked to do by the boss is sign off but mention that bonding needs urgent attention on the NICEIC form
 
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Cirrus

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God, done that for the last 12 years. Fookin great:D:D:D
 
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alan

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The owner has you by the balls- you can't now really walk away from this unless you immigrate. Put down to expensive experience.
 
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Lofty

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If you do regular work for the builder could you not add a bit on his next few jobs and recover your costs that way ?
 
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EasyFox

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.I now find there is no equipotential bonding to the gas and water, which under part P we are obligated to update
Oh dear, this is why I always visit the job first before quoting, & you are obliged to to install the equipotential bonding (if it's missing) under BS7671 not part P.
 
It does sound like you've had your pants pulled down here! Not an awful lot you can do either. In your position I would ask the builder you do work for to make a few basic checks on your behalf, such as the bonding, every time he is going to require your services. Not much help for this particular job, just grin and bare it i'm afraid, but at least you should keep his business coming and hopefully be more informed for future jobs.
 

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I recently installed a new ring main and lighting circuit to a new house extension, priced the job off plan and first fixed before getting access to the house.I now find there is no equipotential bonding to the gas and water, which under part P we are obligated to update, but the owner refuses to pay for it! This will take the best part of a day plus materials, (10mm not cheap), so it looks like I will be losing out. In these situations we should have some back up from NAPIT, IECC etc, when working with builders you dont always have all the info on hand when quoting!:mad:
Don't want to sound daft:confused:

But how do you first fix without getting access to house???????????:eek:
 
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adamh

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I'd just put this one down to experiance and say it will be 120 in future if its missing.Try and get him to pay for the cable on this 1 maybe

 
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DadofTwo

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As Adam says, in future, always provide your quote / estimate but add in that bonding is a requirement and if found to be missing or defective then such work will need to be carried out in addition to the quote at a cost of £xxx before the works can be completed and signed off.

If I were you and the customer refused to pay for works necessary to complete the job then I'd advise that I am unable to connect up the new wiring as to do so without equipotential bonding in place would be in contracention to the regulations and would also mean the works can't be signed off. I'd connect everything up as much as I could without actually making live and then present my bill with a small reduction to reflect the fact that there was slightly less work involved and an explanation stating that as soon as bonding has been installed I will return to connect up the new wiring.

If the customer refused to pay it would be court action. Simple as that. The court would find in my favour and the verdict would back up my stance that I will not flout the regs and will do things by the book.

I know you may get work from this builder and you may value a local reputation but do you want to be marked with the reputation of someone who will do work for free? At the end of the day your reputation is about reliability, honesty and safety and all you're doing by standing your ground is showing that you don't cut corners and do everything by the book.
 
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