New build outside light

[clematis432]

Thanks for all your replies gents, appreciated, so bottom line, a CPC should have been at the light even though it was a double insulated fitting ?

 

[Ian1981]

Thanks for all your replies gents, appreciated, so bottom line, a CPC should have been at the light even though it was a double insulated fitting ?

Has the cpc been cut off?

 

[clematis432]

Has the cpc been cut off?

I will check, but if it has, a new cable from switch to fitting will be required anyway ?

 

[Midwest]

Has the cpc been cut off?

I’ve only asked that twice now.
Can you hear me mother.

 

[Wilko]

Noting one should never say never, I can't believe a new build with no CPC at the light fitting. It's very likely there but has been cut back at the end of the grey sheath rather than spend 10 seconds terminating it properly.

 

[Wilko]

Some manufacturers provide their lights with a short 2 core flex, but any cabling I do always has CPC.

 

[Nigel]

If the light is double insulated then ADS is not applicable so the earth to the point is a non-starter.

A double insulated piece of electrical equipment does not need an earth run to it.

 

[clematis432]

I’ve only asked that twice now.
Can you hear me mother.

Already replied to you, eye sight failing ?

 

[clematis432]

Please dont tell me, is Essex correct and everyone else wrong ?

 

[Nigel]

Please dont tell me, is Essex correct and everyone else wrong ?

It happens a lot in here. ;-).

Class 2 equipment does not rely on ADS (Automatic Disconnection of Supply) for fault protection so 411 is not applicable.

 

[westward10]

If the luminare is supplied by way of a lighting coupler such as a ceiling rose I see no point in providing an earth to the fitting. If it is connected directly then the presence of a cpc is likely to be present in the cable. If at some point the fitting is replaced with a unit which requires an earth then the means of providing this should be readily accessible so if a ceiling rose is employed it should not be inaccessible.

 

[clematis432]

Essex, what happens in my son,s case, when he is changing the existing light fitting for a different one. Is it just tough luck, you will now need to run in your own earth now ?
Seems a bit shabby for a new build.

 

[clematis432]

Essex, what happens in my son,s case, when he is changing the existing light fitting for a different one. Is it just tough luck, you will now need to run in your own earth now ?
Seems a bit shabby for a new build.

If the luminare is supplied by way of a lighting coupler such as a ceiling rose I see no point in providing an earth to the fitting. If it is connected directly then the presence of a cpc is likely to be present in the cable. If at some point the fitting is replaced with a unit which requires an earth then the means of providing this should be readily accessible so if a ceiling rose is employed it should not be inaccessible.

If the luminare is supplied by way of a lighting coupler such as a ceiling rose I see no point in providing an earth to the fitting. If it is connected directly then the presence of a cpc is likely to be present in the cable. If at some point the fitting is replaced with a unit which requires an earth then the means of providing this should be readily accessible so if a ceiling rose is employed it should not be inaccessible.

The luminaire is an outside light mounted on a rendered wall

 

[Nigel]

Essex, what happens in my son,s case, when he is changing the existing light fitting for a different one. Is it just tough luck, you will now need to run in your own earth now ?
Seems a bit shabby for a new build.

I agree it is a bit crap and there may be a specific regulation that states all cables shall be terminated correctly somewhere in the regs but someone else may be able to assist there. That is of course if the CPC has just been cut off short - which is likely.

 

[telectrix]

It happens a lot in here. ;-).

Class 2 equipment does not rely on ADS (Automatic Disconnection of Supply) for fault protection so 411 is not applicable.

the equipment may not need a cpc, but the cable to it does.

 

[Nigel]

the equipment may not need a cpc, but the cable to it does.

Why?

 

[clematis432]

I agree it is a bit crap and there may be a specific regulation that states all cables shall be terminated correctly somewhere in the regs but someone else may be able to assist there. That is of course if the CPC has just been cut off short - which is likely.

Yes I will check that next time I,m up at their house. We babysit once a week, they live 55 miles away from uf !

 

[clematis432]

us

 

[Midwest]

Already replied to you, eye sight failing ?

Have you?

 

[Markyd]

Why?

In case someone drills a nice hole into the cable in the wall...........