no cpc customer wants metal fittings etc....

[rustynails]

This has been posted about a lot but I wanted to ask a really stupid question. I can only run 4mm single g/y to each metal fitting from the board which is dual rcd 30ma. I cannot touch the drops, stipulated by the landlord. Is it acceptable to issue a mwc for this, write a safety letter and label the board stipulating the switch drops have no earth. There are no metal switches only metal boxes...what do people think?...

 

[Wiresandthings]

I think this is not good, safety letter cannot be a safety letter as technically its not safe, how are the screws to the switches to be earthed?? Upto you as your the one signing your name to it, i personally would of walked away from this one

 

[johnsparks23]

Use nylon screws.

 

[7029 dave]

Class 2 all round IMO.

 

[telectrix]

or switches with plastic screw caps.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

get them little covers for the screwheads...

 

[Octopus]

How did we all survive when metal switches were very common and lighting circuits didn't have a CPC??

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Wizardry and spells Murdoch.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

How did we all survive when metal switches were very common and lighting circuits didn't have a CPC??

but was it using the containment?

 

[rustynails]

Balls... That's what I thought. I have those screw caps could replace the switches. But it's just the fact that someone might go and put a nail through the switch drop cable then I'm liable for signing off the circuit...

 

[Engineer54]

Re the title of this thread ...There are many manufacturers making metal fittings, that are manufactured to class 2 out there!! So if the client wants metal fittings he can still have them. I think there is a UK website that specialises in class 2 lighting, most of which are of metal construction...

If he wants the existing metal fittings to remain, then you have a dilemma in regards to complying with BS 7671. Frankly you are the ELECTRICIAN here, YOU tell him what the rules are not him telling you!! Who can you see denying any mention of not allowing you to provide CPC's to switch drops, if a tenant get's a good belt or is electrocuted etc??

 

[Toby Kuhnert]

Re the title of this thread ...There are many manufacturers making metal fittings, that are manufactured to class 2 out there!! So if the client wants metal fittings he can still have them. I think there is a UK website that specialises in class 2 lighting, most of which are of metal construction...

If he wants the existing metal fittings to remain, then you have a dilemma in regards to complying with BS 7671. Frankly you are the ELECTRICIAN here, YOU tell him what the rules are not him telling you!! Who can you see denying any mention of not allowing you to provide CPC's to switch drops, if a tenant get's a good belt or is electrocuted etc??

Exactly what eng says..... don't let landlords push you around and tell YOU what to do. Cos they will!! Tell him the score, either Class 2 fittings OR rewire the lighting OR walk away!
it's hard to walk away, particularly if you need the work (?) but 95% of the time it's worth it in the long run not having the hassle. I'm sure we've all had that one job we wish we never took on?!

 

[Toby Kuhnert]

just side note, why am I listed as a trainee? I left college 2 years ago and have been a pub member? bizzare lol

 

[Octopus]

just side note, why am I listed as a trainee? I left college 2 years ago and have been a pub member? bizzare lol

Pm Sintra, he will sort it for you!

 

[Toby Kuhnert]

Pm Sintra, he will sort it for you!

Ah ok will do I wasn't sure who to contact just PMed Paul.M

 

[Marvo]

I've sorted it out.

 

[davesparks]

I would advise the landlord to have basic pendants installed (if existing fittings aren't class 2) and put the money saved on fancy fittings towards getting the important stuff done before the pretty things.

 

[uksparks]

Ask him if he watches that dating this with paddy what's his name then say no cpc, no class one lighty....

 

[Knobhead]

I've sorted it out.

You were saying you'd got nothing to do yesterday evening.

 

[ses]

Its acceptable to change a fuseboard with no cpc on lighting provided a sticker stating which circuit has no means of earth is attached to the fuse board and its noted on cert
Then ensure all fittings are class 2

If you can run an earth to the class 1 light fittings and ensure switches are class 2 with screw pins covered then attach sticker to fuse board and make a note on certificate stating the lack of earth on that part of circuit
If not already installed stick rcd protection in either by a rcd fuse spur or board upgrade

Job done and complies