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Been watching an American documentary on the IBEW Electician's Union, realise it's an American idea, but do you think this sort of thing would work in the UK? just asking for opinions please. Do you think it would upset the Schemes much? would it take far to long to organise and Police, if something along these lines were to get the green light, or is it all wishful thinking?
 
Been watching an American documentary on the IBEW Electician's Union, realise it's an American idea, but do you think this sort of thing would work in the UK? just asking for opinions please. Do you think it would upset the Schemes much? would it take far to long to organise and Police, if something along these lines were to get the green light, or is it all wishful thinking?

Hi Pete. I think it's ok as it is really. Genuinely, in Industrial and Commercial it is not an issue. The ECS/JIB system is doing just fine and works well. Just my opinion but I don't think we need any more organisations or places to register with.
 
Joint Industry Board.

Agree entirely Neil. It's a good system and used by nearly all big firms. If anything the JIB Gold card should be adopted by the NICEIC etc as an entry requirement for sparks on works other than domestic. So easy really. Domestic chaps can still register then register as DI's with just part p quals etc and carry out work on domestic.
 
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Agree entirely Neil. It's a good system and used by nearly all big firms. If anything the JIB Gold card should be adopted by the NICEIC etc as an entry requirement for sparks on works other than domestic. So easy really. Domestic chaps can still register then register as DI's with just part p quals etc and carry out work on domestic.
No it shouldnt be used by any of the scams as a entry requirement, proof of competance should be used as entry for them if you need or choose to be in one.
 
This thread is demonstrating what is wrong woth the trade by using terms such ad domestic electricians, your wither a electrician or you aren't. Yes there are different aspects to the trade but you should still be able to work on any install to a certain comperance as you should of been trained accordingly for different types of installs.
 
The criteria for a gold card, is that you either have industry experience or core qualifications, have passed a health and safety exam and have the latest edition update.
You will also require the NVQ3, if your core qualifications are dated after a certain date.
 
It would be part of that proof of competence.
But why have two different fees? One for the JIB card and one for the scam, surely just one proof of competance is needed? Not lots of scams who have done nothing to help prove the areas in which they supposedly support workers to adhere too certain Building Regulations
 
The criteria is higher for a JIB Gold Card than it is for a DI. That's why it would work.
This thread is demonstrating what is wrong woth the trade by using terms such ad domestic electricians, your wither a electrician or you aren't. Yes there are different aspects to the trade but you should still be able to work on any install to a certain comperance as you should of been trained accordingly for different types of installs.

Don't agree. Someone who only works on domestic would not need to be the same as a commercial / industrial spark.
 
Lets get something quite clear, the JIB was set up as a union in its day (closed shop) nothing more, for those who can remember that far back.
Now its the be all an end all.!!
 
Why whats difference is there? Its not just about install skills, there is also the sciences involved too
There is a huge difference. Why would someone who only does domestic need to know about 3 Ph, Motors, VFD's, design outside of standard circuits, control panels and systems, PLC ' S, HVAC, refrigeration to name a few.
Also, to fault find on single phase domestic circuits genuinely is is easier. Heating controls being the most complicated they are likely to encounter.
There seems to be a lot of biting at people on here who are only wanting to do domestic saying they need to be more qualified. I think the Domestic Installer qual is adequate and a sensible and conscientious guy can do a good job and work safely. There are horrendous fully qualified sparks out there on industrial / commercial for sure so fully qualified is no guarantee.

Prepared to have my head blown off!!...... Lol
 
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