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Cirrus

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I want to do wither Part P or 2391 this summer so that I have everything I need to work for myself. I will be doing mainly domestic work so wondered if I should just stick with getting Part P or do the 2391 instead. Any thoughts guys?
 
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Shakey

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Cirrus

what quals do you have at the moment?

I presume by Part P you mean the EAL Domestic Electrcial installer course? there is no such thing as a part P qualification!!!!!

are you already a qualified sparks? If so then just do module 1 of the EAL course, this is Applicable building Regs for Electrical installations

or alternatively C&G 2393.

Either way, lets be honest, you are gonna need 2391 to get anywhere, so i would look to doing that regardless of what else you do

you planning a weeks intensive course, or PT in a college?
 
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Cirrus

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I qualify in a couple of months. I thought part p was the 'competent' persons scheme. As for the 2391 I would do the week long course as my local college has an extremely poor pass rate and also, after 3 years of 2 eves a week I really don't want to do any more lol
 
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Shakey

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Yes the competent persons schemes are in compliance with the self certification requirements of Part P.

thats why i am confused when you say you want to 'do' part P?

If you mean join a competent persons scheme, then getting the 2391 will certainly help you, largely because without it you will not be able to do PIR's under the scheme
 
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Cirrus

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Yeah, I think it needs to be 2391 and then either NIC/Napit really
 

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If your NIC registered, do you need anything to do with part P? I've heard there's loads of modules but its all confusing
 
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wayne

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this aint my area but 239 1st
 
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Cirrus

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AFAIK, if you got 2391 and NIC then it's fine
 
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Shakey

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If your NIC registered, do you need anything to do with part P? I've heard there's loads of modules but its all confusing
depends if you are registering as an approved contractor or a domestic installer - the two things are entirely seperate, and some firms register as both. An approved contractor would still need to pre-notify work to the LABC and pay the fee

to register as a domestic installer, you must show you have knowledge of the various approved documents to the building regs. The EAL domestic installers course has 17 modules, of which the first is Applicable Building Regs for domestic installations, so you dont neccessarily have to do the full qual.
 
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To be Part P registered you have to be assessed by one of the bodies NIC, NAPIT etc against two recent jobs. Passing a course at college is not being registered as Part P!!

You need to upgrade to 2382 (17th Edition) before July 1st and carry out several installations before you will hvae enough experience to do the Inspection & Testing.
You will also need to be taking the 2392 (17th Edition) suggest after your Part P registered.

The first few jobs will have to be done using (and paying) Building Control to pass them and then NIC / NAPIT can assess you for these jobs to get you registered. You need to be the "supervisor" of the work so you cant work for someone else and use those jobs!

Good luck

Shakey

Can only go for approved contractor with NIC after two years trading as sparks, if I recall correctly.
 
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Shakey

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To be Part P registered you have to be assessed by one of the bodies NIC, NAPIT etc against two recent jobs. Passing a course at college is not being registered as Part P!!

You need to upgrade to 2382 (17th Edition) before July 1st and carry out several installations before you will hvae enough experience to do the Inspection & Testing.
You will also need to be taking the 2392 (17th Edition) suggest after your Part P registered.

The first few jobs will have to be done using (and paying) Building Control to pass them and then NIC / NAPIT can assess you for these jobs to get you registered. You need to be the "supervisor" of the work so you cant work for someone else and use those jobs!

Good luck

Shakey

Can only go for approved contractor with NIC after two years trading as sparks, if I recall correctly.
think you are right Malc, and i have a felling its 6 months to go for Domestic Installer as well

not sure about your 2392 comments though, no-one NEEDS it, although it is a good stepping stone to the 2391, been teaching it for a while, and the students like it
 
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Malcg

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not sure about your 2392 comments though, no-one NEEDS it, although it is a good stepping stone to the 2391, been teaching it for a while, and the students like it
Hi

After 1st July 2008, 2381 and 2391 or obsolete as there based on 16th Edition

2382 and 2392 are based on 17th edition. The -10 is from scratch and -20 is upgrade.

My NICEIC assessor (march 08) told me that I will need to have 2382-20 to ensure my work and certicates are valid from 1st July!!

I would not employ someone who had only done 16th Edition as they might dump me in it!
 
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Shakey

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Hi

After 1st July 2008, 2381 and 2391 or obsolete as there based on 16th Edition

2382 and 2392 are based on 17th edition. The -10 is from scratch and -20 is upgrade.

My NICEIC assessor (march 08) told me that I will need to have 2382-20 to ensure my work and certicates are valid from 1st July!!

I would not employ someone who had only done 16th Edition as they might dump me in it!
Malc, how do you reckon 2391 will be obselete? and what do you think will replace it?

Whatr do you think will happen to all the exisitng 2391 holders?:confused:

Look, all that has happened is people who taken 2391 up to now have taken it based on the 16th edition

People who take it from now on will take it based on the17th edition, but, and this is the point, there is NOTHING on the 2391 certificate (other than the date) which states which addition of the regs was in force when the exam was sat

existing 2391 holders simply have to update their regs qual, their 2391 is still (and always will be!) valid, it certainly isnt obselete!:p

are you aware of what the 2392 is? I have seen you mention it on a few posts

The 2392 is the Fundamental certificate in inspection and testing. It is a Level 2 qual (2391 is Level 3) and concentrates on initial verification only

there is a full test on a simple single phase board and a 45Q multi choice on line exam

it is meant as a 'stepping stone' to the 2391, but is not a requirement.

and regarding the regs and 2391, holding 2381 or 2382 is not a pre-requisite for sitting the 2391

hope this has cleared it up for you

oh, and before you bounce back with "but I was told by.......", I am the training manager for a private company, and teach all of these courses, including 2392 AND 2391, and shall continue to do so !!!!
 
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Shakey I have miles of study and course materials on 2391 (books, CDs, booklets etc). Do I need to throw all of them out and start all over again or is there any way I can upgrade them? I am still toying with the idea of going for 2391 or 2392 as it will be called from July.
 
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