Second National Lockdown...

[Ian1981]

My daughters boyfriend is ginger. What should I do? Do I lock him in the attic and pretend he doesn't exist or should I just send him to Switzerland and have him euthoniszed?

Buy him factor 50 at Christmas

 

[Midwest]

Even if it does go through the roof we can’t afford as a country to shut workplaces down as happened before.

Most sparks I know are stacked out with work so a slight reduction in demand won’t hurt this winter imo. Long term is more the problem when the job losses/cuts the idiotic restrictions caused start to bite.

Should always have been a case of protect the vulnerable, while everyone else goes about their business with a low level of restrictions until we have vaccine/herd immunity.

I understand the impact its had financially on some, I was lucky and was able to carry on working during the lockdown. However, as @UNG said, this virus is a particularly nasty one; I don't think some people realise that. It seems its the youngsters that spread it, with no ill effect to themselves, and the older or more vulnerable die of it (I have no medical evidence of that).

 

[Wilko]

2, The original deaths were wrongly attributed to Covid.

So true it scares me. These brainiacs are STILL recording a CV19 death if Poor Person has tested positive and subsequently died in a car crash, drowned or got hit by bus etc.

I hope someone can show I’m wrong and it's been fixed...

 

[Baddegg]

So true it scares me. These brainiacs are STILL recording a CV19 death if Poor Person has tested positive and subsequently died in a car crash, drowned or got hit by bus etc.

I hope someone can show I’m wrong and it's been fixed...

I was speechless when I read that exact fact in the small print of a bbc news at ten report....that’s sensationalism at it’s absolute worst!

 

[Vortigern]

We have seen a shortage of supplies of all sorts and prices increasing. The economy (GDP) has shrunk 30%, worse than the 2008 recession. Thousands of businesses are going to the wall, hundreds of thousands of people are going to be unemployed. All as a result of lockdown. Now, add to that the end of furlough, and the end of mortgage/rent holidays, evictions and unemployment are going to go through the roof. Anyone for more lockdown?
Given the conflicting information as to CV19 that people in there droves are dying/not dying, it is fatal/non fatal etc. etc. it is very hard to see a justification based on such information to further destroy the economy. Don't get it twisted, I am not dismissing covid, at the same time I am aware there is very poor information and strategies. For instance no more than six, unless you are trashing statues then you are immune. No more than six unless you are going to the office or glueing your hands to the pavement, then you are immune. Bear in mind if a family meets another family and stops to talk they could be breaking the law, whereas if you are in a pub or restaurant you aren't. Please tell me I am not going insane. Lockdown or no lockdown we are f0099sd.
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For another thing the polymerase chain reaction test is nonsense. The person who invented it said it should never be used for testing/diagnosis. It is for research only on DNA/RNA sampling. In different countries the amount detected of the pathogen is set at a certain figure, if it is too low then there is no illness if it is set higher then epidemic. Many opinions are based on the idea that good old clinical symptoms should be the gold standard test. CV19 is apparently part of a family of virus that are pretty much the same, only SARS was much worse, no lockdown then, I wonder why?

 

[littlespark]

I don’t want to come on an argue against anything anyone has said, one way or another... but let’s have a go anyway

young people are not at fault. Not the ones I know. They have a sense of self preservation that older adults don’t. The same trait that causes the “snowflake” behaviour. Why would they risk catching it?
its the 20, 30, 40,year olds that couldn’t wait for the pubs to open, the ones that Dont listen to anyone when they’ve had a drink... not the bar staff, not the police.
Its not the schools either. True, Lifting any restrictions will increase the infection rate... but the schools should stay open, close the pubs and the open public spaces in London where the anti-vaccine brigade are massing these days.

Testing. I think they’ve engineered the test to give false positives over false negatives.
They would rather have someone wrongly told they had it, and had to isolate, than tell someone they didn’t have it, when they did... and was going out infecting others. So we can presume that the reported positive test results are exaggerated.

death reporting. They report it as a Covid death if they die within 28 days of a positive test. Day 29, it’s not Covid....??

yes, I’m getting fed up with this.... I’m fed up with the ever changing guidelines.... I’m fed up with the idiots that think Covid is a conspiracy theory, and think they have the right to put other people in harms way... selfish gits!
I’m fed up with the doom and gloom economical forecasts. We will get through this, and we’ll end up paying for it through taxes... but our taxes pay for a shed load of things no one wants anyway...

 

[Midwest]

The restrictions are an attempt to mitigate peoples exposure. If you applied them across the board, we would not be able to work. They are applied to households, because that has a limited affect, and in restaurants, so they could open again.

I agree pub hours should be limited though, because those young people I said about, don’t follow social distancing etc, when they even just get tipsy. Should be like the very old licensing hours, or even more restrictive.

The Covid death reporting is very complex, so I’ve read. But the new recording method, brings England into line with the other Home Counties.

 

[Dustydazzler]

This can’t be good... 50,000 new cases in a matter of weeks

Coronavirus: 50,000 new daily cases by mid-October at current rate

The government's two chief scientists said there would be 200 new daily deaths in the UK by mid-November if the current rate of infection continues.

uk.yahoo.com

 

[UNG]

The problem is there are large portions of the population who are carrying on like nothing is happening. Bolton is an example of the problems that one infected person can cause by dismissing the guidance and hitting the town for a pub crawl

A lot will ignore MSM in favour of getting news from less well known sources while some sources are quite legitimate and give an alternative view to the mainstream others can fall into the category of being subversive where there could be underlying reasons for them to want to keep the infection rate up and would support the theory that the virus is man made and has been selectively released

How we stop this virus is the big issue that needs to be solved, people seem to get the infection despite being isolated, others don't get infected even when in contact with an infected person yet they are now saying the antibodies having had the disease don't last that long and it is possible to be infected a second time so how reliable and effective is a vaccine going to be

There are a lot of questions that have no clear unambiguous answers and the scientists do not seem to be united on the way forward to eradicate this disease so we appear to have a long term problem

 

[Zerax]

There are a lot of questions that have no clear unambiguous answers and the scientists do not seem to be united on the way forward to eradicate this disease so we appear to have a long term problem

Having read around the subject quite alot over recent months... I'd suggest that the general consensus is that this virus will be with us for a very long time... many many years at best, but probably forever. We just need to learn to live with it.

Living with it will involve people dying earlier than they might have done before it came along... as has already been seen.

If we want to prevent anybody dying prematurely from this virus, we need to hermetically seal each individual into a plastic cocoon and provide sterilised food via an air-sealed trap.

If we really really want to do things to lessen the risk of people dying prematurely we could start by not pumping people full of antibiotics the minute they get into hospital or have a sniffle.

Just saying...

 

[Midwest]

Having read around the subject quite alot over recent months... I'd suggest that the general consensus is that this virus will be with us for a very long time... many many years at best, but probably forever. We just need to learn to live with it.

Living with it will involve people dying earlier than they might have done before it came along... as has already been seen.

If we want to prevent anybody dying prematurely from this virus, we need to hermetically seal each individual into a plastic cocoon and provide sterilised food via an air-sealed trap.

If we really really want to do things to lessen the risk of people dying prematurely we could start by not pumping people full of antibiotics the minute they get into hospital or have a sniffle.

Just saying...

That sort of opinion, is something I can't agree with.

Even now, vulnerable people have access to an annual flu vaccination. I've read though that some 7000 people die annually from complications from flu. In a bad year it can be as much as 20,000.

I read the figures of fatality for Covid is (depending on which statistics you believe) is between 38,000 and over 50,000 (England & Wales). Thats with all the preventative measures taken, thus far. And the year is not over yet.

If your suggesting, just letting it run riot unchecked, I suggest you do some more research. If you research figures for the Spanish Flu 1918/19 for example, it was 228,000. There are other such examples.

Its ok to say, just lets live with it, as long as your not one of those people(s) affected by it.

Sorry thats a shocking opinion, if thats what your suggesting.

 

[UNG]

I have a suspicion that long term (a few more years yet) the approach that Sweden took might have been the right one.

It seems that Sweden is being lauded as the way to handle the virus while it might work for them with a population density of 25 people / Sq Km when compared with the UK's population density of 275 people / Sq Km it is not really surprising that we are finding it more difficult to control the virus spread with 11 times more people per Sq Km.

I wonder how the virus spread looks when compared to the density of the population in other countries that are reportedly doing better than the UK

 

[Zerax]

It seems that Sweden is being lauded as the way to handle the virus while it might work for them with a population density of 25 people / Sq Km when compared with the UK's population density of 275 people / Sq Km it is not really surprising that we are finding it more difficult to control the virus spread with 11 times more people per Sq Km.

I wonder how the virus spread looks when compared to the density of the population in other countries that are reportedly doing better than the UK

You're analysis assumes that the population is evenly spread across every square km... this is of course not the case. The major cities in Sweden such as Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo etc. will have a very high density, whilst vast swathes of the north will be uninhabited.

However, that's just a correction to your point.

The reason why we won't know, for many years, if Sweden's approach was the right one... is that there are many facets to how you measure it. Destroying a countries economy will undoubtable cause many deaths, as will removing someone's livelihood etc. etc. We would need to take a 'on balance' type view... weighing up a wide and varied 'scorecard' of measures, many of which we don't even know about yet !

 

[7029 dave]

I have mixed feelings, because to friends have died, two were in hospital for months and one that survived will never be the same again slight brain damage.
Its a bloody mess.

 

[OnlQQker]

Nothing much to say, so I'll just add the background music to this thread!

View: https://youtu.be/zxCXqC8YbOI

 

[UNG]

You're analysis assumes that the population is evenly spread across every square km... this is of course not the case. The major cities in Sweden such as Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo etc. will have a very high density, whilst vast swathes of the north will be uninhabited.

However, that's just a correction to your point.

The reason why we won't know, for many years, if Sweden's approach was the right one... is that there are many facets to how you measure it. Destroying a countries economy will undoubtable cause many deaths, as will removing someone's livelihood etc. etc. We would need to take a 'on balance' type view... weighing up a wide and varied 'scorecard' of measures, many of which we don't even know about yet !

Not sure why you feel the need to correct a point where I was only using those numbers to highlight the population disparity

But to add context to your point one London borough has a population density just shy of 3 times the population density of Stockholm.
The population of Sweden is less than one sixth of the UK's population so it makes it really difficult to make meaningful comparisons as to how they have handled and how the UK have handled it

 

[Dustydazzler]

A few new rules introduced today but nothing out the ordinary

pubs close at 2200, masks for retail / hospitality staff and no Indoor team Games over 6 people

 

[DPG]

Seems mostly sensible advice. Let's hope people stick to it.

 

[pirate]

Where I am currently, in Spain, everybody wears a mask, in the street, in shops, some shops won't permit entry without a mask, and Lidl will give you a mask if you have forgotten yours.
No smoking in bars or restaurants, even in the terraces outside, nor in the street. In the restaurants, the waiting staff wear masks at all times, and most customeres put their masks on between courses. Bars and restaurants have to limit the number of customers to 50% of normal capacity, and in the schools the children wear masks in lessons and in the street. Nobody seems to object to these restrictions, and as the holiday trade has been disastrous for many businesses, those that remain open are very careful to adhere to the regs. or esle the Guardia Civil will shut them down and impose heavy fines. It seems to be working, but how effective the regs are will only be measured in time. The incidence here, as opposed to the big cities like Madrid and Barcelona, is very low. I believe the regs are working. The beach is off-limits after 9pm to prevent "raves" and everyone seems to accept this now. Back in Scotland, I can still go to the pub and meet strangers, but i can't visit my daughter...strange times.

 

[Midwest]

I think that when the restrictions can be rescinded, those pub & club opening hours should be kept!

Keeping places open to 2-5am is just ridiculous. Its only pee heads who wanna drink to those hours anyway. They can't be trusted to behave themselves. Cost us a fortune in policing and NHS bills. If they feel the need to stay open that late, their rates should go up to reflect the cost to the tax payer.