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I had some house rewiring undertaken on my house and have come across a few issues since painting.

First thing was damage to the rubber outer sheath of the SWA cable on the outer wall which I've rapped electrical tape around temporarily as the metal rods were visible and we had a lot of rain.

On looking at some skirting board under the cupboard of the consumer unit I saw some of the metal from the SWA cable visible from under the rubber gland cover. I pulled down the gland cover and saw nearly all of the metal rods not secure within the gland, most of which cut so short they could never have been secured within and at different lengths.

This SWA cable feeds an outer garage and runs for around 30 metres.

I noticed a large gap at the end of the consumer unit with no switches within also. Also one of the neutral cables is secured on the rubber sheath and not the copper cable.

I'm tempted to request the whole cable be replaced properly instead of cover ups but wanted expert opinion. Pics attached

Any advice would be great.

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I'm afraid to say none of that is looking good. You have multiple issues there in particular the swa cable connection which may or may not have left the armour with no earth. Has a qualified electrician carried that work out.
 
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I'm afraid to say none of that is looking good. You have multiple issues there in particular the swa cable connection which may or may not have left the armour with no earth. Has a qualified electrician carried that work out.
Thanks westward. Yeah it was. I've checked the smaller consumer unit at the other end in the garage which has an earthing nut on it to the board which is fed by this SWA
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To be honest the installation of that cable is shocking. It is the easiest thing for a competent person to gland one off. The damaged section in the garden to my eyes warrants total replacement as you can guarantee water has ingressed. When was it done.
 
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To be honest the installation of that cable is shocking. It is the easiest thing for a competent person to gland one off. The damaged section in the garden to my eyes warrants total replacement as you can guarantee water has ingressed. When was it done.
Within the last 10 - 14 days
 

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Welcome to the forum mate.
When was this work done?
Did the electrician give you an electrical cert for this work?
As above, it doesn't look good.
 
Were they a scheme member, NICEIC, NAPIT, Elesca?
Without getting tied up in red tape that is notifiable work under Part P of the Building Regulations but that aside the shocking work needs addressing so are they a scheme member.
 

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A complete lash up Defusion no wat a proper Electrician did that, you say it was don about 2 weeks ago, any certification provided? get him back to do the job properly, a disgraceful attempt, as someone has already said it's not that difficult to do the job correctly. where are you situated ??
 

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I would get the installer to return and sort out the SWA, with the damage to the sheath externally I would expect that to be replaced or a suitable repair carried out. The gland should not have been left like that.

The consumer unit spare ways should have blanks fitted, the correct MK ones not the universal push in ones. Also the hand written circuit identifiers on the board need sorting out.

Have you received any certification for these works? Have you paid in full?

TBH if basics like that can't be done properly what is the rest of his/her work like?
 
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I would get the installer to return and sort out the SWA, with the damage to the sheath externally I would expect that to be replaced or a suitable repair carried out. The gland should not have been left like that.

The consumer unit spare ways should have blanks fitted, the correct MK ones not the universal push in ones. Also the hand written circuit identifiers on the board need sorting out.

Have you received any certification for these works? Have you paid in full?

TBH if basics like that can't be done properly what is the rest of his/her work like?
Thanks all. I'm awaiting the certs though got a screenshot of the NAPIT notification. Sadly I didnt check the work with a fine tooth comb and became aware of it all lately and have paid up. The electrician is happy to return though I need to know what I need to have sorted other than the SWA and the consumer unit holes.

Appreciate all the replies
 
At least they are returning. In my opinion that cable should be totally replaced a repair in my eyes is not good enough. To be honest if they are qualified the issues should be staring them in the face.
Can we see the garage consumer unit, internally also if safely isolated.
 
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At least they are returning. In my opinion that cable should be totally replaced a repair in my eyes is not good enough. To be honest if they are qualified the issues should be staring them in the face.
Can we see the garage consumer unit, internally also if safely isolated.
At least they are returning. In my opinion that cable should be totally replaced a repair in my eyes is not good enough. To be honest if they are qualified the issues should be staring them in the face.
Can we see the garage consumer unit, internally also if safely isolated.
Yeah attached. The armour is secured properly though the note hand tight as I can loosen it
 

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It isn't great you shouldn't be able to remove that by hand, internally it is pretty poor showing little pride in one's work. I suspect the supply also has rcd protection at the first consumer unit negating selectivity. I don't want to judge a person I have never met but they appear to have limited skills. There is also a cable hanging through an unprotected open entry to the left of the cable gland, you could probably put a small object through that entry to touch the busbar.
 
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It isn't great you shouldn't be able to remove that by hand, internally it is pretty poor showing little pride in one's work. I suspect the supply also has rcd protection at the first consumer unit negating selectivity. I don't want to judge a person I have never met but they appear to have limited skills. There is also a cable hanging through an unprotected open entry to the left of the cable gland, you could probably put a small object through that entry to touch the busbar.
Thanks, I appreciate your comments. It aids my next contact
 
I see you have a 2365 level 2, do you know any electricians who can give you an onsite evaluation.
 
This is in BS6891 somewhere to which I have no copy. There is a required separation but I cannot quote it although 25mm may be cited. Whatever it is there is no gap of separation in your picture.
 

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This is from the OSG pages 23 & 24.
 

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At least it's 3 core cable....even if the black earth isn't sleeved g/y.
Disgraceful work throughout, though.
The 'loose' C type gland is for water ingress prevention....how solid is the actual 'earthed' gland connection?
 
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Absolutely awful workmanship and live accessible parts to boot! If thats the level of their work do you really want them back?
 
Absolutely awful workmanship and live accessible parts to boot! If thats the level of their work do you really want them back?
I'm afraid to say that will be the first course of recommended action from NAPIT. I concur though I am not sure I would entertain them again but any alternative is money.
 
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I must admit I'm not instilled with confidence and picked up on the lack of sleeving on second inspection.
I didnt inspect the earthing nut but have isolated the SWA feed on the consumer unit for now.

I really appreciate everyone's comments which I've addressed with them. Very helpful forum
 

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Hi - sorry to say, but I too think the swa cable is best replaced as it has been exposed to weather. Try to find a route that avoids the gas supply crossing. If not, perhaps the swa could be passed through plastic conduit that was secured to the wall behind the gas line.

That N in the CU is a good find, well done :) .
 
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What is that grey flex hanging through the hole by the supply cable feeding? It looks a bit small to be fed from a 20A MCB.
I'd have to check but I think it's the feed for the sockets in the garage
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Hi - sorry to say, but I too think the swa cable is best replaced as it has been exposed to weather. Try to find a route that avoids the gas supply crossing. If not, perhaps the swa could be passed through plastic conduit that was secured to the wall behind the gas line.

That N in the CU is a good find, well done :) .
Thanks for this, I've requested the SWA to be fully replaced amongst other things
 
As others have said very poor install also I am concerned about the 1.5mm neutral connection next to the Grey cable in the first photo it look like it terminated onto the insulation hopefully there's not much load on that circuit as if may over heat.
 
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As others have said very poor install also I am concerned about the 1.5mm neutral connection next to the Grey cable in the first photo it look like it terminated onto the insulation hopefully there's not much load on that circuit as if may over heat.
The outer sheath was completely screwed through. When I released the screw there was a small blue flash 🤔. I've sorted it though..

Found a second neutral and a earth sleeve of a similar fashion
 

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When I released the screw there was a small blue flash
That means the circuit was still live, please don't go messing around in your board without fully isolating it, i.e. turning the whole lot off and testing for dead using a voltage indicator.
 
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That means the circuit was still live, please don't go messing around in your board without fully isolating it, i.e. turning the whole lot off and testing for dead using a voltage indicator.
That's strange, I thought I had! Thanks
 

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